ORTHODOX-VATICAN - Bartholomew: With Francis, we invite all Christians to celebrate the first synod of Nicaea in 2025 [AN]

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MichaelinMD said:
Set a date, send us your address…PARTY TIME!!!:D:D:D

(Or…do we need an Ecumenical Council to set the date?
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Hey, I’m opening the pool this week. 👍 The beach is looking mighty good too. I can’t imagine why we are waiting for 2025? The guys were talking about having a hurricane party this summer like we use to do when we were young. They were reminding me how I split when during the last one when we were young, the waves started hitting the back windows.

The Blues are running now.

I went to the Baptist Church for a fish fry on Good Friday. GOOD FISH!!! I couldn’t help but notice a song about Mary on the piano. “I didn’t say anything” 😉 😊 “ecumenical”
 
GaryTaylor said:
Hey, I’m opening the pool this week. 👍 The beach is looking mighty good too. I can’t imagine why we are waiting for 2025? The guys were talking about having a hurricane party this summer like we use to do when we were young. They were reminding me how I split when during the last one when we were young, the waves started hitting the back windows.

The Blues are running now.

I went to the Baptist Church for a fish fry on Good Friday. GOOD FISH!!! I couldn’t help but notice a song about Mary on the piano. “I didn’t say anything” 😉 😊 “ecumenical”
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LOL!! You’re not one of those here…tic-ites, I hope!!!:D:D Ecumenical Baptist fish on Good Friday and all, y’know…:eek:

🙂

(Maybe “we” are waiting til 2025 to give the current trends in both Churches a chance to concretize…)
 
How so? I don’t agree with that at all. It’s precisely because people are different that local authority is best suited for overseeing different peoples.
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Im not disagreeing, but our Lord explicitly says for us to be one, as he is one with the Father. I think St. John Paul’s encyclical Ut Unam Sint, opens a door with the East to a new understanding of the gift of primacy, basically the model the church uses now can be changed.

We need dialogue, not politics or sour grapes, and of course charity. The reason we are separate is because of the devil and original sin. What we don’t need is attitude where either side is not open to understanding the other or is not open to change. God loves diversity, we don’t need domination of one church/spirituality, over another.
 
Holly3278 said:
The Roman Catholic Church does not officially teach heresy and neither has any pontiff. To hear someone say that they do or have is greatly offensive to me.
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Christ told us this was coming Holly. Anti -Catholicism is indeed the last acceptable prejudice in this world. In the UK, Catholic physicians are being urged to emigrate. In Australia, they don’t want Catholics serving in the military. And more…

We are in the way.

Satan is on a roll and sadly, many non Catholic Christians are helping push the bandwagon if not actually jumping on it. And if it comes, they will watch a bloody persecution of Catholics unflold. They will do so in silence, until they realize they are next in line.

The Gates will not prevail though. We have been promised that by Him.

God Bless
 
coachkfan1 said:
Along these lines, does anyone believe that the Bishop of Rome, the Pope, would be willing to accept the title of “First Among Equals” for the sake of reunification? Just asking.
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I not even sure what first among equals means

But I do know what servant of the servants of God means
 
gus said:
I not even sure what first among equals means
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Thanks for saying that, because it’s always been totally unclear to me what that means. Kind of reminds me of Orwell’s “All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.” Double talk and gibberish…
gus said:
But I do know what servant of the servants of God means
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👍👍
 
Saints_Alive said:
Christ told us this was coming Holly. Anti -Catholicism is indeed the last acceptable prejudice in this world. In the UK, Catholic physicians are being urged to emigrate. In Australia, they don’t want Catholics serving in the military. And more…

We are in the way.

Satan is on a roll and sadly, many non Catholic Christians are helping push the bandwagon if not actually jumping on it. And if it comes, they will watch a bloody persecution of Catholics unflold. They will do so in silence, until they realize they are next in line.

The Gates will not prevail though. We have been promised that by Him.

God Bless
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What I said is no more anti-Catholicism than what you guys believe about Lutheran teaching is anti-Lutheranism. I’m not anti-Catholic.
 
gus said:
I not even sure what first among equals means

But I do know what servant of the servants of God means
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So supreme and immediate universal jurisdiction is actually a “service”? Talk about double-talk!
 
Seraphim73 said:
You should be against it as well as long as there is not unity of faith. A reunion now would be a lie.
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Nevertheless, I and many other Orthodox support whole-heartedly the effort to clarify the official differences and find how many (not all) are based more on historical and cultural differences than deep-seated theological ones.
 
gus said:
I not even sure what first among equals means
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Well, maybe instead of ridicule a little more good-faith effort might be called for. There is no lack of Orthodox resources clarifying exactly what the Orthodox mean by this. Three I would suggest are: Christ’s Broken Body by Fr. Laurent Cleenewerck (which deals with all the issues surrounding the schism); You Are Peter by Olivier Clement and the essays collected in The Primacy of Peter, collected by Fr. Meyendorff.

Despite what has been said here, “first among equals” is a very ancient concept and does not mean the Bishop of Rome has no unique authority among bishops. Very briefly, “first” means that the Bishop of Rome has unique privileges on account of his succession to the Patriarchate founded by Sts. Peter and Paul. Among these privileges would be a unique place of persuasive leadership such as exercised by St Peter at the Council of Jerusalem, and perhaps some final appellate authority. “Equals” means that he received from Christ the same essential powers given to all the Apostles at John 21. This is nothing but what was taught by St. Cyril of Carthage, among other church fathers. Excluded from this title would be any power to unilaterally bind the whole Church to dogmas which was seemingly given to him by the western bishops at Vatican I.
 
Holly3278 said:
The Roman Catholic Church does not officially teach heresy and neither has any pontiff. To hear someone say that they do or have is greatly offensive to me.
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My sentiments exactly. Who on this forum wouldn’t be offended being called a heretic? Who’s going tell me my priests wear clown masks? Who’s going to tell me my liturgy which by the way is the Tridentine mass is tainted? And even if it was the NO mass why do I have to listen to generalization and judgmental ignorance?

This is a prevailing attitude of the other church, the holier than thou elite. I’d be just as happy staying in full communion with our Eastern Rite Churches, none of the BS and being dumbed down patronizing.
 
PatrickC said:
So supreme and immediate universal jurisdiction is actually a “service”? Talk about double-talk!
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:confused: The idea that integration of profound service and authority somehow represents double-talk, misses so much of our beliefs. Consider the icon Akra Tapeinosis, or the Great Friday epistle, Corinthians 1:18… This integration lies at the heart of authentic, servant leadership; its cultivation is a central part of our development.
 
dvdjs said:
:confused: The idea that integration of profound service and authority somehow represents double-talk, misses so much of our beliefs. Consider the icon Akra Tapeinosis, or the Great Friday epistle, Corinthians 1:18… This integration lies at the heart of authentic, servant leadership; its cultivation is a central part of our development.
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Well said!
 
Jesus has the supreme universal jurisdiction over the whole of creation, yet he says “But I am among you as one who serves” (LK 22:27) Would you go and say to him too that
PatrickC said:
So supreme and immediate universal jurisdiction is actually a “service”? Talk about double-talk!
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And before you accuse me of comparing Pope to Jesus, I would like to remind you that the Pope (and all of us) have been instructed to lead a life “so that the life of Jesus may be made visible in our mortal flesh.” (2 Cor 4:11).
Does not mean that one has to strive to aquire “universal jurisdiction”. But it means even if you have been given “supreme jurisdiction” by the Lord himself (Mt 16:19), yet you should be like servants.
 
dvdjs said:
To be fair, while there is no lack of Orthodox resources, there is a lack of clarity - even to this day.

mospat.ru/en/2013/12/26/news96344/
orientale-lumen.blogspot.com/2014/01/first-without-equals-ecumenical.html
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Yes, there is a sense in which Orthodox ecclesiology is “even to this day” a little imprecise and messy. To my mind, that is better than having a collection of dogmatic (some even “infallible”) definitions, which are precise to the utmost degree, and with respect to which Catholic apologists have to have go through frightful verbal gymnastics to make them square with contemporary Catholic ecclesiology. Dictatus Papae and Unam Sanctam are examples. In other words, better to leave things a little messy than to overdefine and overreach and then have to retract. At least to my mind.
 
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