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Randy_Carson
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This sounds right to me, though dvdjs and I have disagreed. I like to discuss it more to clarify, but that may not be essential for the point you’re driving toward.Thank you for responding.
Perhaps this may get too theoretical but I feel it needs explored. Would I be right to say you identify original sin not as Adam’s sin imputed to us, but rather the nature we have inherited from him? A Nature which is fallen, leads everyone to death and makes man naturally tend towards evil and sin to some degree? That’s what I understood from your catechism.
No!If this is the case then Mary could be essentially considered pre fallen, in the state of man before the fall no? For me there are problems with this, but I would want it explained to me what is actually believed by you before I go on to list them.
And this is really important: Adam and Eve did not need a savior in their pre-fall state. Mary needed a savior (and declares that she rejoiced in her savior) to prevent her from ever falling in the first place.
Mary was “saved” from sin in a most sublime manner. She was given the grace to be “saved” completely from sin so that she never committed even the slightest transgression. Most people tend to emphasize God’s “salvation” almost exclusively to the forgiveness of sins actually committed. However, Sacred Scripture indicates that salvation can also refer to man being protected from sinning before the fact:
Now to him who is able to keep you from falling and to present you without blemish before the presence of his glory with rejoicing, to the only God, our Savior through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and for ever. (Jude 24-25)
Six hundred years ago, the great Franciscan theologian Duns Scotus explained that falling into sin could be likened to a man approaching unaware a deep ditch. If he falls into the ditch, he needs someone to lower a rope and save him. But if someone were to warn him of the danger ahead, preventing the man from falling into the ditch at all, he would be saved from falling in the first place. Likewise, Mary was saved from sin by receiving the grace to be preserved from it. But she was still saved.