"orthodox"?

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Nine_Two said:
We lowercase the word because it isn’t a proper noun. 🙂
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But there are many instances when “catholic” is used as a proper noun for the name of the true church. Although yeah, the catholic in the creed isn’t a proper noun 🙂
 
Since we once again have a thread that seems to revolve around what certain Latin Catholics think words invariably and unchangeably mean, I’ll just leave these etymologies from the Online Etymology Dictionary here, for everyone to ponder (and hopefully come up with better arguments next time):

**catholic (adj.) **
mid-14c., “of the doctrines of the ancient Church,” literally “universally accepted,” from French catholique, from Church Latin catholicus “universal, general,” from Greek katholikos, from phrase kath’ holou “on the whole, in general,” from kata “about” + genitive of holos “whole” (see safe (adj.)). Applied to the Church in Rome c.1554, after the Reformation began. General sense of “of interest to all, universal” is from 1550s.

Catholic (n.)
“member of the Roman Catholic church,” 1560s, from Catholic (adj.).
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Mr. Montoya, your closing statement, please.*

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Randy_Carson said:
There are Catholics who hold to the Catholic faith without dissent. They are orthodox Catholics.

There are no catholic Orthodox since the Orthodox Churches (plural) are largely ethnic and nationalistic in nature and thus not universal.

But I do understand the good-natured sparring intended. 🙂
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The Eastern Orthodox Church is officially known as the Orthodox Catholic Church. This term is used liturgically and officially and it of course reflects the understanding of “One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic” in the Nicene Creed which we all recite in the liturgy.

But let me tell you, there are many Orthodox who do not like being called Catholic. There is frequently a campaign of vandalism to remove the term from the Wikipedia article. These poor people don’t realize how the term is used officially. They deny having anything to do with Roman Catholicism, even to the point of excising both words from the articles where they are backed up by reliable sources. It’s sad, really.
 
Elizium23 said:
The Eastern Orthodox Church is officially known as the Orthodox Catholic Church. This term is used liturgically and officially and it of course reflects the understanding of “One, Holy, Catholic, Apostolic” in the Nicene Creed which we all recite in the liturgy.

But let me tell you, there are many Orthodox who do not like being called Catholic. There is frequently a campaign of vandalism to remove the term from the Wikipedia article. These poor people don’t realize how the term is used officially. They deny having anything to do with Roman Catholicism, even to the point of excising both words from the articles where they are backed up by reliable sources. It’s sad, really.
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There are a lot of issues swirling about as I am coming to learn.
 
Randy_Carson said:
There are Catholics who hold to the Catholic faith without dissent. They are orthodox Catholics.

There are no catholic Orthodox since the Orthodox Churches (plural) are largely ethnic and nationalistic in nature and thus not universal.

But I do understand the good-natured sparring intended. 🙂
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You’re leaving the good natured area. And the seriousness with which you are taking it makes me wonder if your original comment was an insult hidden behind a smiley face rather than some good-natured sparring.

We call ourselves “catholic”, because we believe we hold the fullness of truth, which is what the word means (“according to the whole”).

Meanwhile “orthodox” doesn’t mean you are loyal to the faith, it means you hold “correct teachings”.

I’d suggest being more careful with such loaded words in the future. They are a double edged sword.
 
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