Canât wait to hear you explain this one.
ve long forgotten has described the Sinners Prayer combined with OSAS as the most dangerous lie ever inflicted on Protestants.Of course they would still claim that the weeds were not saved. But they have a lot of explaining to do when Jesus goes on to say â⌠provided that you remain in my love, or else you also will be cut off.â There are a wealth of verses in scripture that speak against OSAS; the scriptural basis for OSAS is one of the weakest Iâve ever heard.
Including John 14:15
That
s what happens when the false doctrine comes first; and then theres no choice but to twist Scripture.How do you figure that. The Scripture states AGAIN, if he was not saved, how could he be saved AGAIN then?Well obviously he wasnât saved in the first place. Right?
Sure, in the parable it says the Son comes back home and the Father celebrates. He says because the son of mine was dead and has come to life AGAIN.
Here I go, despite my promises to myself that I wonât do it, jumping in where angels fear to tread.In the Prodigal Son Luke 15:20 says
My Son was dead but is Alive AGAIN.
This creates a big problem for you. If you are One Saved always saved how do you explain AGAIN???
If St.Paul truly believed in OSAS why even bother to write so many epistles? I think one epistle would have been sufficient to express or explain OSAS.
Great point!
Pastor Gary listen to what it says. Was the SON saved before he left his Fathers House? Yes or No?Here I go, despite my promises to myself that I wonât do it, jumping in where angels fear to tread.
First, I am not a believer in OSAS.
Second, I donât think the parable of the Prodigal Son is a particularly apt argument against OSAS. Metaphorical stories, while they may lead us to truth, are not necessarily good examples of truth. In the parable, the son was never really dead, he was merely separated from his family in a way that might be thought of as death â completely and totally cut off with little or no expectation that he would ever return. His return made it possible for his family â except, perhaps, his brother â to rejoice that he would no longer be thought of as dead. He was restored to the family.
If one wanted to make a case for OSAS, it might be found in Luke 15:31, âSon, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours,â as the father speaks to his other son who is disgusted with the welcome given to his errant brother. Look at those words âalwaysâ and âall.â It sounds like an eternal promise with no ifs, ands, or buts about it. But one verse out of many is hardly a firm base for theology.
Just a few thoughts.
Also Pastor Gary where are you getting the Father telling the other Son that he is not dead because he has not commited mortal sin to mean he made him a eternal promise??Here I go, despite my promises to myself that I wonât do it, jumping in where angels fear to tread.
First, I am not a believer in OSAS.
Second, I donât think the parable of the Prodigal Son is a particularly apt argument against OSAS. Metaphorical stories, while they may lead us to truth, are not necessarily good examples of truth. In the parable, the son was never really dead, he was merely separated from his family in a way that might be thought of as death â completely and totally cut off with little or no expectation that he would ever return. His return made it possible for his family â except, perhaps, his brother â to rejoice that he would no longer be thought of as dead. He was restored to the family.
If one wanted to make a case for OSAS, it might be found in Luke 15:31, âSon, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours,â as the father speaks to his other son who is disgusted with the welcome given to his errant brother. Look at those words âalwaysâ and âall.â It sounds like an eternal promise with no ifs, ands, or buts about it. But one verse out of many is hardly a firm base for theology.
Just a few thoughts.
It never said âMy son was not saved, but is saved againâ.In the Prodigal Son Luke 15:20 says
My Son was dead but is Alive AGAIN.
This creates a big problem for you. If you are One Saved always saved how do you explain AGAIN???
It is if you think what I am telling you. The Father said because this SON of mine was DEAD, and has come to life AGAIN.
There does not have to be a statement from the Son, the Father said Alive AGAIN. if he was not saved how could he be saved AGAIN? The Father said he WAS saved but then fell into sin.
Iâll preface by saying that Iâm not a OSAS subscriberâŚ
Enduring to the end seems to imply that not everyone will be able to endure to the end. Or will be able to endure for a time but not all the way until the end.
I see this as a parallel of Jesus saying we must be âborn againâ. Were you born previously? Yes. Were you alive previously? Yes. But were your born in the Spirit? No. But were you alive in the Spirit? No. Now you are born again. Now you are alive again.In the Prodigal Son Luke 15:20 says
My Son was dead but is Alive AGAIN.
This creates a big problem for you. If you are One Saved always saved how do you explain AGAIN???