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JimR-OCDS
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I just finished binge watching Ottoman, on Netflix
Excellent !
Excellent !
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Irishmom2
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What is it about?
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JimR-OCDS
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The beginning of the Ottoman Empire as Hemit II defeated Constantine XI at Constantinople
The Ottoman Empire lasted 300 years
The Ottoman Empire lasted 300 years
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Irishmom2
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Thanks will have to check it out when I am finished with all of the Welsh police shows I am watching. 
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TheHolyTrinity
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It is the Turkish perspective of how Islam spread across South East Europe and Asia minor. Remember that the Turkish Government does not acknowledge the Armenian Genocide under the Ottoman Empire. The Ottoman Empire ruled Turkish Muslims.
Both Christian and Jewish people treatment varied over the centuries, a millet system was in place but had many grey areas.
Notable persecution and or ethnic cleansing over the centuries of the Ottoman Empire:
Batak massacre
Hamidian massacres
Adana massacre
Thracian Bulgarians
Great Famine of Mount Lebanon
Armenian Genocide
Greek Genocide
Assyrian Genocide
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JimR-OCDS
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It provided a historical event and both Western and Eastern historians provided information throughout the series, which was about the rise of Memit II, the Salatin of the Ottomans, It was far from being one sided.
It was the 1st season and I’m sure that new seasons will provide more about the Ottoman Empire
It was the 1st season and I’m sure that new seasons will provide more about the Ottoman Empire
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TheHolyTrinity
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Meant to have replied to @Irishmom2
Tis_Bearself
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So it’s non-fictional then? I might check that out.
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tomarin
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I’m glad it’s not about the furniture piece (you know, one of those overstuffed dramas).
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Ridgerunner
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I’m not sure I could bear to watch it, notwithstanding I generally love “period pieces” and dramatized historical events.
The Ottoman Empire was an unmitigated catastrophe for Orthodoxy. But it was also a catastrophe for those areas it conquered. It bled them white and impoverished them. Many have not recovered to this day. If not for oil in the oil states, they would not even be third world. The Balkans were devastated by the Ottomans, then crushed again by the Soviets. Today, their per capita income is well below that of Mexico notwithstanding the EU membership of some.
It was even a catastrophe for the Arab zenith. Arab Islam flourished after taking over the prosperous Greek Levant and North Africa. The Ottomans crushed them and destroyed the architecture and industry which the Arabs had adopted from the Greeks.
The Ottoman Empire was an unmitigated catastrophe for Orthodoxy. But it was also a catastrophe for those areas it conquered. It bled them white and impoverished them. Many have not recovered to this day. If not for oil in the oil states, they would not even be third world. The Balkans were devastated by the Ottomans, then crushed again by the Soviets. Today, their per capita income is well below that of Mexico notwithstanding the EU membership of some.
It was even a catastrophe for the Arab zenith. Arab Islam flourished after taking over the prosperous Greek Levant and North Africa. The Ottomans crushed them and destroyed the architecture and industry which the Arabs had adopted from the Greeks.
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Ridgerunner
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One of the ironies in history is that the Crusader States were often allied with Arab feudal powers and fought with them against Central Asian interlopers. The Crusaders even offered to help fight against Timur, a Central Asian, alongside the Mamluks (Turkic Central Asians who controlled Egypt) but were turned down.
It is ironic and tragic that the current Arabs blame the West for their misfortunes when it wasn’t the West at all, but the Islamic Mongols and Turks who destroyed Arab civilization. Both came close to visiting destruction on the West as well. Interesting to consider (as some do) that the terrain and the relative density of the western European population stopped both the Mongols and the Turks.
But one can’t know the full story without knowing the role of Poland in repulsing both. Poles, of course, consider their role the sine qua non of saving the West. And there’s at least a good deal of truth to it.
It is ironic and tragic that the current Arabs blame the West for their misfortunes when it wasn’t the West at all, but the Islamic Mongols and Turks who destroyed Arab civilization. Both came close to visiting destruction on the West as well. Interesting to consider (as some do) that the terrain and the relative density of the western European population stopped both the Mongols and the Turks.
But one can’t know the full story without knowing the role of Poland in repulsing both. Poles, of course, consider their role the sine qua non of saving the West. And there’s at least a good deal of truth to it.
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Dan_Defender
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I am watching this documentary series. I find it odd that Sultan Mehmed II’s hero was Alexander the Great. The fall of Constantinople is a great historical event. I think part of the chain that could be raised at the inlet of the narrow channel to block incoming boats was discovered recently during excavations for the new Istanbul tunnel. Another surprise was that the Ottomans only had small boats while Europeans already had Galleons, so big difference in technology already in the 15th century.
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do_justly_love_mercy
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You beat me to it, and did a better job!
Have you seen Keeping Faith? I’ve seen seasons 1 and 2 in the English version. I’d be curious to see the Welsh version (Un Bore Mercher) (with subtitles). I think it’s pretty unrealistic in terms of how the police and legal profession are depicted, but it’s worth watching for Eve Myles. I started watching the bilingual version of Hidden (Craith), but I found the graphic self-harm scenes too distressing to watch and gave up pretty soon.
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Athanasiy
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I was driving by bus along Trabzon, Ankara, Istanbul, and I was driving along Balkans(Bulgaria, Romania)
I was impressed by organizational features of life during my travel through Turkey.
Armenians are really talanted nation, and indeed there is a successful propaganda machine in Turmey to white up many past crimes, but I do not really agree with some Armenians who think that Turks are so inferior and so on.
My impressions that they are far from being Nomads.
In many features they are indeed like the Germans of the East.
During my travel I expected to see third world country but I have seen organization of life-roads, shops, buildings.
Looks like the modern Turks are very far from being barbarians.
How to explain that they have hard working people reputation in Germany, Benelux?
Do the Turks guilty in modern economic troubles of Bulgarians, Greeks, or Romanians?
Are there any proves of these theories?
But on account of genocides, I agree that the history of empire was very bloody history, and they should sincerely regognize that.
I was impressed by organizational features of life during my travel through Turkey.
Armenians are really talanted nation, and indeed there is a successful propaganda machine in Turmey to white up many past crimes, but I do not really agree with some Armenians who think that Turks are so inferior and so on.
My impressions that they are far from being Nomads.
In many features they are indeed like the Germans of the East.
During my travel I expected to see third world country but I have seen organization of life-roads, shops, buildings.
Looks like the modern Turks are very far from being barbarians.
How to explain that they have hard working people reputation in Germany, Benelux?
Do the Turks guilty in modern economic troubles of Bulgarians, Greeks, or Romanians?
Are there any proves of these theories?
But on account of genocides, I agree that the history of empire was very bloody history, and they should sincerely regognize that.
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JimR-OCDS
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Spoiler Alert !
This was just the first season, and it was about the fall of Constantinople to Memet II, who was a spoiled rich kid with power inherited from his father. He was also brutal and had people executed for failing in their jobs, even when it was beyond them. My guess is that there will be followup seasons as the Ottoman Empire lasted over 300 years.
As the series showed, Constantine XI was doing well in the defense of the city until he was betrayed by two people, but especially a woman servant who learned about a secret way out of the city. It was her warning Memet II that the Romans were going to attack his small ships in the Golden Horn before they had a chance to get established, which changed the course of the siege and the eventual defeat of Constantine XI, who went down jn the defeat.
The event of the lightening striking the dome of the palace was interesting and they thought it was the Blessed Mother leaving the city and abandoning her protection.
This was just the first season, and it was about the fall of Constantinople to Memet II, who was a spoiled rich kid with power inherited from his father. He was also brutal and had people executed for failing in their jobs, even when it was beyond them. My guess is that there will be followup seasons as the Ottoman Empire lasted over 300 years.
As the series showed, Constantine XI was doing well in the defense of the city until he was betrayed by two people, but especially a woman servant who learned about a secret way out of the city. It was her warning Memet II that the Romans were going to attack his small ships in the Golden Horn before they had a chance to get established, which changed the course of the siege and the eventual defeat of Constantine XI, who went down jn the defeat.
The event of the lightening striking the dome of the palace was interesting and they thought it was the Blessed Mother leaving the city and abandoning her protection.
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Athanasiy
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By the way, I live not far from the town in Ukraine, where Suleiman the Great wife was born. The town is called - Rohatyn.
The history of town is very interesting, it covers almost eight centuries. In the XII-XVII cent., Rohatyn was a fortress. Already in the XIV-XV cent., it was one of the major cities, with advanced production and trade. A known Orthodox Rohatyn Brotherhood, one of whose members was a leading Ukrainian public figure — Yuriy Rohatynets, worked here.
The greatest sorrow and suffering in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries were inflicted on the people of Ukraine and, in particular, of Rohatyn by the attacks of Turkish-Tatar hordes.
During one of them in 1520, the town was burnt down; many residents were taken into captivity. Among them was a 15-year-old girl Nastia Lisovska. Sold to harem, she managed to bewilder the most powerful sultan in the history of the Ottoman Empire — Suleiman the Magnificent (Conqueror) with her mind and charm — and very quickly she turned from a disenfranchised slave into his favourite wife. Over 40 years this woman played a significant role in the cultural and political life of the empire. At the courtyard she was called Khaseki Hurrem (Good wife), and European contemporaries knew her as “Rossa”, “Russa”, “Rosa”, “Roksolana“.
In that small town today is famous bread bakery, (I always stop the car and buy that bread) and there is this monument of Roxelana.
The history of town is very interesting, it covers almost eight centuries. In the XII-XVII cent., Rohatyn was a fortress. Already in the XIV-XV cent., it was one of the major cities, with advanced production and trade. A known Orthodox Rohatyn Brotherhood, one of whose members was a leading Ukrainian public figure — Yuriy Rohatynets, worked here.
The greatest sorrow and suffering in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries were inflicted on the people of Ukraine and, in particular, of Rohatyn by the attacks of Turkish-Tatar hordes.
During one of them in 1520, the town was burnt down; many residents were taken into captivity. Among them was a 15-year-old girl Nastia Lisovska. Sold to harem, she managed to bewilder the most powerful sultan in the history of the Ottoman Empire — Suleiman the Magnificent (Conqueror) with her mind and charm — and very quickly she turned from a disenfranchised slave into his favourite wife. Over 40 years this woman played a significant role in the cultural and political life of the empire. At the courtyard she was called Khaseki Hurrem (Good wife), and European contemporaries knew her as “Rossa”, “Russa”, “Rosa”, “Roksolana“.
In that small town today is famous bread bakery, (I always stop the car and buy that bread) and there is this monument of Roxelana.
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Dan_Defender
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How do you then explain they have one of the worst dictators as their leader, Mr. Erdogan?
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AlbMagno
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Having a dictator isn’t mutually exclusive with having commercial infraestructure…
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ontheway1
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Those who are interested in things Ottoman should also watch “The magnificent century”, another Turkish historic series. This one covers the long reign of Suleyman the Magnificent and his wars of conquest in Europe, Persia and Egypt. Well worth watching.
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