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oneness of God? hey man we got that covered. “We believe in one God, the Father the Almighty Maker of Heaven and Earth”👍
This is incorrect. You think that this One God, the Maker of everything including Jesus, has a son and another Spirit with Him. Therefore not making Him One.
 
According to Islam those who commit shirk go to hell, so sufi is in the minority if he believes otherwise. Please print more hadith. Especially the ones about stoning.
We can go to the Bible to get some stoning verses. Just be patient now. Will you?
 
THE BOOK OF REVELATION
Chapter 1.

HOW THE DIVINE INSPIRATION STARTED TO BE REVEALED TO ALLAH’S MESSENGER, SWS. AND THE STATEMENT OF ALLAH,SWT IN THE QUR’AN:

“VERILY, WE HAVE INSPIRED YOU O MUHAMMAD AS WE INSPIRED NOAH AND THE PROPHETS AFTER HIM.” 4:163

Volume 1, Book 1, Number 1:

**Narrated 'Umar bin Al-Khattab:

I heard Allah’s Apostle saying, “The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended. So whoever emigrated for worldly benefits or for a woman to marry, his emigration was for what he emigrated for.” **
The Prophet(saw) said this on the occasion of someone’s emigration from Makka to Al-Madina which was not for the sake of the Islamic cause but to marry a woman who had stipulated that he should emigrate if he wanted to marry her. Any how, this Hadith implies a general principle, i.e. one is rewarded for his deeds according to his real intentions and not according to his actual deeds which might be good in themselves but were motivated by an ill intention.
 
Open a thread about Sufism.
Well, as a Sufi you should know better than me that your Sheik needs to give you permission to evangelize outside of the printing of pamphlets on Sufism and distributing them.

I don’t think a new thread on Sufism is needed when I am asking simply if your Sheik knows you are here evangelizing. It is also important that if you want others to learn about Islam and the revelations you speak of that they also be aware of the sect of Islam that you are a follower of, for Sufism is very different than mainstream Islam (Wahhabi, Sunni, Shiite… ) of which most of the followers of Islam in the world belong to the last 2 sects.

If you want others to learn about Islam they have to know where you are coming from… Most people don’t know about Sufism and it is only fair that you be clear about what you represent **and not give cryptic non-answers to questions asked. **You are only pushing people away and not bringing them closer to Islam.

As a Sufi you should also know that it is through ones Sheik to the student from which secret knowledge is passed on.

If you are Sufi, then in showing us this book of revelation are you expecting others to follow you like a Sheik (Murshid) and pass on this hidden knowledge? I wonder what your sheik would think about this.

I will not say anymore on this and let others reading your thread do more research on this and come to their own conclusions.

God bless
 
This is incorrect. You think that this One God, the Maker of everything including Jesus, has a son and another Spirit with Him. Therefore not making Him One.
Wrong Buddy! There is one God and one God alone, but there is the mystery of the holy Trinity. thats where the three parts come in. quit telling people to get off the thread. How about yall quit spamming our boards buster huh? this is a CATHOLIC forum. we appreciate that youre here and are will to discuss and debate but you aint converting no body! got it? good. 👍
 
This is incorrect. You think that this One God, the Maker of everything including Jesus, has a son and another Spirit with Him. Therefore not making Him One.
Water.

It spans our world as liquid, ice, and vapor. But it’s all H2O - water.

Same with our God. The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. ONE God. His Oneness is a perfect Familial Oneness.

It’s very clear for many of us. No offense, but it’s no wonder the Muslim part of the world fell behind academically, technologically, artistically, and scientifically when it became Muhammedanized…They suffer the inability of expansive thought that was a result of the Islamic guillotine on theology.

(BTW, it’d be wise to learn what we actually believe before posting what you think we believe. We don’t believe Jesus was “made”, but begotten. As different as black and white. Please read The Gospel of John, chapter 1, the first 18 verses - maybe you can tell us what you think afterwards).

God Bless you. I do appreciate your stay with us.
 
Re read what I said about Allah being the only one who can revert. Stick with and understand the topic or get out of the thread.
You offer us only the sanitized Islam.

By the way, this is a Catholic forum and you are a guest here. Please keep your agression in check.
 
Water.

It spans our world as liquid, ice, and vapor. But it’s all H2O - water.

Same with our God. The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit. ONE God. His Oneness is a perfect Familial Oneness.

It’s very clear for many of us. No offense, but it’s no wonder the Muslim part of the world fell behind academically, technologically, artistically, and scientifically when it became Muhammedanized…They suffer the inability of expansive thought that was a result of the Islamic guillotine on theology.

(BTW, it’d be wise to learn what we actually believe before posting what you think we believe. We don’t believe Jesus was “made”, but begotten. As different as black and white. Please read The Gospel of John, chapter 1, the first 18 verses - maybe you can tell us what you think afterwards).

God Bless you. I do appreciate your stay with us.
With respect, I’m not meaning to take sides here, but Muslim lands had lighted streets well before…say…london for example. But even besides that, why is that if one isn’t familiar with pagan greek philosophy (logos, pushing the “theological envelope”, etc…) they are somehow lacking as a human being?? And if they don’t make stuff, new gizmos and inventions that so often are a distraction to the Divine, they are simply “barbaric” or “stupid.” Talk to a monk about how much he needs this new ikea whatever and this new decor for his cell and see what his response might be. 🙂 Ya know?
 
With respect, I’m not meaning to take sides here, but Muslim lands had lighted streets well before…say…london for example. But even besides that, why is that if one isn’t familiar with pagan greek philosophy (logos, pushing the “theological envelope”, etc…) they are somehow lacking as a human being?? And if they don’t make stuff, new gizmos and inventions that so often are a distraction to the Divine, they are simply “barbaric” or “stupid.” Talk to a monk about how much he needs this new ikea whatever and this new decor for his cell and see what his response might be. 🙂 Ya know?
I dont think that that is what he’s talking about. I think that the poster is refering more to an impediment of thought, a lack of ability to think for one’s self. Islamic religion leaves very little room for free will or free thought.
 
Sufi is a nice person. He just doesn’t understand how on earth we are monotheistic cuz to him, Allah is one, the mathematical number one.

Sufi, can you quote to us ahadith refuting Jesus being son of God or refuting the trinity?thx.
 
I dont think that that is what he’s talking about. I think that the poster is refering more to an impediment of thought, a lack of ability to think for one’s self. **Islamic religion leaves very little room for free will or free thought./**QUOTE]

Thats true. Muslims believe everyone is a slave of God with no choice or free will. However the reality is we can freely choose to be servants of God. Big difference between a slave and a servant.
 
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I dont think that that is what he’s talking about. I think that the poster is refering more to an impediment of thought, a lack of ability to think for one’s self. Islamic religion leaves very little room for free will or free thought./
QUOTE]

Thats true. Muslims believe everyone is a slave of God with no choice or free will. However the reality is we can freely choose to be servants of God. Big difference between a slave and a servant.

What happens to someone who chooses freely to not be servant?
 
You offer us only the sanitized Islam.

By the way, this is a Catholic forum and you are a guest here. Please keep your agression in check.
To my understanding, and to that of most people in the West, Sufism is a milder, non-savage form of Islam. Possibly that’s true. It would be interesting to see whether Sufi really is a Sufi or if that’s just a name he is using in order to get us to think he’s a non-threatening Muslim. I am confident we will see in time. I would like to think he is going to explain why Sufism is peaceful and non-aggressive. But, since confronting what a Muslim says on here ordinarily results in Pro_Universal coming in, swinging a sword, I am tempted to think all Muslim posters here are just pseudonyms for Pro_Universal or whatever Islamic group he represents.

I am with Eden in what she says. I, for one, am very tired of Muslims (or the group, whatever) coming in here and clogging threads; threads that might actually result in someone learning something true about Islam instead of the endless condemnation of Christianity that is their usual fare.

Anyway, I guess it’s Sufi’s turn to tell us something about Sufism and, I hope, he isn’t going to be just one more of these Muslim posters who tells a bunch of falsehoods about both Christianity and Islam. If Eden’s right, I guess there are secrets(?) in Sufism. Perhaps we can now learn about them.
 
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