Our Country is Messed up Because We Don't Want Cattholic Leaders

[SpiritMeadow]

Why do we ask God to watch over our loved ones, to keep them safe, bodily and spiritually? Why do we ask God to help others? Then why do we as individuals pray for the sick and dying? Why do we pray at all if we think God is not going to hear and help us? Is that not praying to a personal God? Do you not believe that God holds each soul created as special? I do believe any doctrine given ex cathedra by the Pope is where the guidance of the Holy Spirit comes to play. But I do believe I can talk to God and I will be heard. I may not be answered in the way I would like, but I will be heard. If that is Relativism, then so be it. I have also believed for many years that if Christ came to inspect His church now, He would not recognize it. Peace.

It is shocking for someone to claim that God is not personal to the individual. I cannot even begin to contemplate how one can be a Christian and say that. God has been personal since Abraham, at least in our sacred texts. I would agree that Jesus would not recognize the Church, but then again, I’m not at all certain that Jesus intended to set up a church. In fact, few scholars believe that either. He came to do something important and that was change how people related to each other. We have basically ignored that, and decided that the pharasidic rules and regulations are the way to go. Jesus would undoubtedly be displeased.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Why do we ask God to watch over our loved ones, to keep them safe, bodily and spiritually? Why do we ask God to help others? Then why do we as individuals pray for the sick and dying? Why do we pray at all if we think God is not going to hear and help us? Is that not praying to a personal God? Do you not believe that God holds each soul created as special? I do believe any doctrine given ex cathedra by the Pope is where the guidance of the Holy Spirit comes to play. But I do believe I can talk to God and I will be heard. I may not be answered in the way I would like, but I will be heard. If that is Relativism, then so be it. I have also believed for many years that if Christ came to inspect His church now, He would not recognize it. Peace.

This is where we as the "Communion of Saints " Come in. The Church triumphant, suffering and militant. We pray for each other as Church. When we pray for others, this is as part of the body, the Church. It is all inter-connected.
Deacon Ed B

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Do you see what you do? You set up a situation where the Church can never be wrong. Please don’t let this get out. America will never elect a Catholic again! Convenient arguments that make your world tidy are not good thinking nor good argument. YOu make the Church perfect by definition. This is simply the kind of talk one would hear from any demogogue, I am the emperor, the emperor cannot be wrong, I cannot be wrong. Therefore, if you disagree, you must be. Self-serving, adn quite convenient. Maturity requires a thinking human mind, not a robot.

When it comes to a Dogma of the Church, you are correct, in saying that the Church can NEVER be wrong in its teaching on Faith and Morals. As Catholics we believe that the Pope is infallible in Faith and Morals only. . We do not apologize for this, we profess this as a Dogma of our Church. If you do not believe this, then you are not Catholic. This a Catholic answers forum. This is an answer about one of our dogmas.

By the way, you have not answered some of my questions to you in prior posts.
Deacon Ed B

 

[PetersKeys]

You find me enough guaranteed good Catholics running for office, and I’ll vote for them, regardless of party affiliation. But there’s no way you can find them. I hate to say this, but an awfully lot of Catholic politicians are Catholic in name only. Same as babtists, presbyterians, or anything else. Roanoaker

That is true and it is so saddening. There are so many Catholic politicians who are actually pro-abortion. They give a bad name to Catholics. like Kerry

 

[zab]

That is true and it is so saddening. There are so many Catholic politicians who are actually pro-abortion. They give a bad name to Catholics. like Kerry

While it is true that many well known Catholic politicians are “pro-choice”, there is one that we can be proud of.

 

[rlg94086]

Of course embryos aren’t eggs, but oddly I guess a serious right winger could make an argument that they too are sacred and only to be kept in availability for possible fertilization. I guess that line is a little blurry huh?

What are you talking about? No “serious right wingers” are making an argument like that. It’s not blurry at all…unless it is to you.

Life begins at conception…not prior to conception.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Spirit Meadow. In case you don’t know, an embryo is already fertilized. They are not kept for fertilization. The chinks in your armor are showing. And yes, they are sacred in so far as they are babies with souls.
Deacon Ed B

 

[seekerz]

In response to the original post, I have to heartily disagree since some of the worst experiences of my life have involved nominal (and even not so nominal) Catholics.

Since power tends to corrupt, I would expect even less acceptable behavior from Catholic politicians.

 

[elt1956]

You may believe as you wish. The facts are the facts and the facts are that no serious minds on this planet don’t believe in evolution of the man from lower forms of life. You may pander to wacko science sites to support your need to believe otherwise, but it changes nothing. You are alone with a small segment of bible thumpers from the south. This argument is virtually unknown in other parts of the world. Evolution is the basis for dozens of other scientific disciplines. You cannot explain how this hoax has been maintained for over 150 years. You cannot explain how literally millions of scientists have knowingly wasted their careers knowing they were contributing to an untruth. You need to believe this because you fear how the truth might impact your faith. That is the result of your lack of faith rather than your steadfast adherence to a doctrine that the Church no longer follows. Believe as you wish, you convince zero thinking people, but only the rest of the frightened uninformed folks who suffer from lack of education and common sense.

Just to stir the pot a bit more, I did hear a snatch on one of the TV channels, Discovery, or the Learning Channel ,that scientists have now found at least an indication that humans evolved from an entirely different species than apes. Can’t say for sure if the species is humanoid, or not, but not apes. That is all I know. Will have to follow the trail and find out what they are thinking.

None of us here are scientists so if one chooses to believe that humans began with a little spark of life through the will of God and then evolved eventually to the point that the soul was given to individuals, then that is fine with me. If one wants to believe that God created humans fully formed from clay, then that is alright too. I do believe though that humans evolved from small beginnings given life by the breath of God. Peace.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Spirit Meadow, are we to take you seriously when you thought embryos had to be fertilized. ??? Or, are you just one of the mill Catholic bashers that spouts alleged facts based on biased prejudice.
Deacon Ed B

 

[elt1956]

This is where we as the "Communion of Saints " Come in. The Church triumphant, suffering and militant. We pray for each other as Church. When we pray for others, this is as part of the body, the Church. It is all inter-connected.
Deacon Ed B

Then are you saying we, as individuals, are not interconnected to God? In case we are misunderstanding one another, I asked Father Sherpa his thoughts. (No names. I don’t tattle.) This is what he said on the idea of a personal God. Peace.

Ask an Apologist.

How could the three Persons of the Holy Trinity be anything but personal? They are Persons, after all! WE are persons! God creates each one of us personally and keeps us in existence personally. Recognizing one’s personal relationship with God does not of itself deny God’s relationship with the rest of the Mystical Body. Every saint–every saint, has had a personal relationship with God. It is absolutely necessary for us if we are to love Him because His relationship with us is personal.

As long as one thinks that he or she is doing the will of God, he or she IS ok! One is obliged to seek God’s will through the amount of faith that one has been given. For a Catholic this means abiding by the teachings of the Church.

It is the refusal to accept objective truth that leads to relativism—not that we believe in a personal God.

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.

 

[elt1956]

Then are you saying we, as individuals, are not interconnected to God? In case we are misunderstanding one another, I asked Father Sherpa his thoughts. (No names. I don’t tattle.) This is what he said on the idea of a personal God. Peace.

Ask an Apologist.

How could the three Persons of the Holy Trinity be anything but personal? They are Persons, after all! WE are persons! God creates each one of us personally and keeps us in existence personally. Recognizing one’s personal relationship with God does not of itself deny God’s relationship with the rest of the Mystical Body. Every saint–every saint, has had a personal relationship with God. It is absolutely necessary for us if we are to love Him because His relationship with us is personal.

As long as one thinks that he or she is doing the will of God, he or she IS ok! One is obliged to seek God’s will through the amount of faith that one has been given. For a Catholic this means abiding by the teachings of the Church.

It is the refusal to accept objective truth that leads to relativism—not that we believe in a personal God.

Fr. Vincent Serpa, O.P.

Bless you Father Sherpa. My soul is no longer wandering around looking for God. Peace.

 

[Antegin]

The Royalty of Catholic families routinely supports abortion, abuses annulments and when called on it by Rome, marry outside the Church. When they are married within the Church, they don’t bother with monogamy. The only one out of that clan that even comes close to being acceptable can’t get very far because he is foreign born. Then outside that royal family you have Catholic bad boys who leave legitamate wives for wealthy heiresses or my personal favorite, trot his skank in front of wife number 2 and their children before kicking them to the curb.
Seems to me the country is messed up because the “Catholic” politicians are no better than heathens and pagans.
“By their fruits you will know them…”

 

[elt1956]

The Royalty of Catholic families routinely supports abortion, abuses annulments and when called on it by Rome, marry outside the Church. When they are married within the Church, they don’t bother with monogamy. The only one out of that clan that even comes close to being acceptable can’t get very far because he is foreign born. Then outside that royal family you have Catholic bad boys who leave legitamate wives for wealthy heiresses or my personal favorite, trot his skank in front of wife number 2 and their children before kicking them to the curb.
Seems to me the country is messed up because the “Catholic” politicians are no better than heathens and pagans.
“By their fruits you will know them…”

I will have to say, “just because one is a Catholic doesn’t mean one is a saint, or even close to it and maybe never will be”. I would also say, I “think” many, many of our politicians are more self serving, than serving. Do we have another Sodom and Gommorah in the making?? Peace.

 

[Holly3278]

Yes, there can be good non-Catholic presidents, senators, etc… but I am sorry - Catholics (good ones) know more about objective truth and the way God really sees things than Protestants do…

Protestants, for example, seem to always justify abortion…

I am wondering why Roe v Wade is not overturned? If our Supreme Court justices were all devout Catholics, i believe it would have been…

I agree that if all our Supreme Court justices had been devout Catholics that Roe vs Wade would have been overturned by now. Unfortunately, that has not happened… yet.

 

[elt1956]

I agree that if all our Supreme Court justices had been devout Catholics that Roe vs Wade would have been overturned by now. Unfortunately, that has not happened… yet.

Hello. Although I am absolutely against abortion, I always wonder what we as a nation can offer those women who will still see their only option as abortion even if Roe vs. Wade is overthrown. Does anyone know of a diocese, or parish (I have heard of one) who has a weekly collection that is contributed to support anti-abortion lobbys in Washington D. C.? I think this is the only way headway can be made against this horrendous act. Unless Catholics and other anti-abortionists act nationally as a group and unless Catholics and others against abortion, as a group,can find leverage to use against the pro-abortion proponents, we will remain local groups and unheard at the national level. Our so called opportunistic representatives need to have a reason to support the Right to Life and Birthright groups. Our rights and beliefs are being trampled on by the representatives of a so called, “Christian” nation. The squeaky hinge gets the oil. Peace

 

[elt1956]

While it is true that many well known Catholic politicians are “pro-choice”, there is one that we can be proud of.

Hello Zab. I asked you once before in a personal email. WHO??? I hope you are not talking about the GOP nominee. He is a war monger.

 

[elt1956]

While it is true that many well known Catholic politicians are “pro-choice”, there is one that we can be proud of.

The OP is some what correct. If we look at the abortion issue, as a Catholic we know that if you take birth control pills you are having abortions regularly. That is why the Catholic church is the only one not to allow birth control pills. Some protestant preachers will tell there congregation that abortion is bad but birth control pills are OK!!! what a lot of people fail to realize is that with birth control pills some times conception occurs and due to the increased hormones the fertilized egg is aborted. So some one who is really Pro-Life is one that does not use birth control, have abortions, is against the death penalty, and war. So if we elected some one who lives by what the catholic church teaches, the moral responsibility of America could be restored.

The moral responsibility of the US could also be restored if we could find one honest, non-self-seeking, communicative, individual to run for President. Know of anyone? I don’t. Peace.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

Then are you saying we, as individuals, are not interconnected to God? In case we are misunderstanding one another, I asked Father Sherpa his thoughts. (No names. I don’t tattle.) This is what he said on the idea of a personal God. Peace.

In no way am I saying that we are not interconnected with God. We are. Our interconnectedness comes from being members of the Communion of Saints and being members of the Mystical Body. In that sense we are uniquely connected to God, real, communally and personally. As a member of the Mystical Body, our sins affect the entire Mystical Body, not just me personally. What Fr. Serpa says is entirely correct. Perhaps I did not go far enough with my explanation due to time constraints. If I gave the wrong impression, please accept my apologies.
Deacon Ed B

 

[zab]

Hello Zab. I asked you once before in a personal email. WHO??? I hope you are not talking about the GOP nominee. He is a war monger.

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I sent you a private email twice.