Our Country is Messed up Because We Don't Want Cattholic Leaders

  • Thread starter Thread starter distracted
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
D

distracted

Guest
Yes, there can be good non-Catholic presidents, senators, etc… but I am sorry - Catholics (good ones) know more about objective truth and the way God really sees things than Protestants do…

Protestants, for example, seem to always justify abortion…

I am wondering why Roe v Wade is not overturned? If our Supreme Court justices were all devout Catholics, i believe it would have been…
 
distracted said:
Protestants, for example, seem to always justify abortion…
Click to expand...
Just want to point out that all my protestant friends are against abortion as much as I am.

I think the Supreme Court decision can be blamed on pure blase techniques and an overriding sense of ‘feminism.’ (As in, it wasn’t purely feminist, i.e. wanting equality of women and men)

I’m sure if all the Supreme Court justices were even just Christian, from any denomination of Protestant, the Roe v. Wade case would never have gone the way it went. (Then again, I have no idea what they considered themselves, I have a lot of research to do…)
 
Our country is messed up because people don’t understand how our government is supposed to work, and they continue, for some reason, to expect government to be the solution to all our problems.

Your post is painting with an awfully broad bush. For all your claims of being objective, I’m amazed that you don’t see a problem with putting millions of people into a category like this. Last I checked that was called stereotyping, which is based on ignorance. Might want to check your plank, brother (or sister).
 
You find me enough guaranteed good Catholics running for office, and I’ll vote for them, regardless of party affiliation. But there’s no way you can find them. I hate to say this, but an awfully lot of Catholic politicians are Catholic in name only. Same as babtists, presbyterians, or anything else. Roanoaker
 
The problem with the OP’s idea is that this is not a theocracy. It is a republic, a pluralistic society and founded as such. Most people who call for one-religion/viewpoint/party government lose their enthusiasm when they realize that they might not be the ones in control. A free society means that we are all free, not just the folks you agree with. And I, for one, value my freedom. 😉
 
Power tends to corrupt those that have climbed the ladder IMHO.

Deals being made, compromises in one thing to get another thing passed, need for money to get elected and a very stressful life style do not make for an easy road. Most Americans and for that matter ask “what will I get” or “what is in it for me” when looking for whom to vote for.

I believe that the “me” syndrome needs to be changed. But then I am a Catholic and proud of my Faith.
 
distracted said:
Yes, there can be good non-Catholic presidents, senators, etc… but I am sorry - Catholics (good ones) know more about objective truth and the way God really sees things than Protestants do…

Protestants, for example, seem to always justify abortion…

I am wondering why Roe v Wade is not overturned? If our Supreme Court justices were all devout Catholics, i believe it would have been…
Click to expand...
This quote is some what facetious. This country, this world is messed up because of Phony Catholics period. So called Catholics that pay lip service in Church but turn around and support these Political Candidates that are in favour of one or more of the 5 Intrinsic Evils the Church forbids Catholics from supporting or from being involved in.🤷
 
I would rephrase the OP like this:

The decline of our nation is exacerbated by those Catholics who choose not to act like Catholics.

Look at the number of Catholics in the following areas: Government, education, media and arts.

Now think of all those people and count on one hand those that you think are really trying to live out the Catholic values.

Now look back at history and see the enormous impact of Catholics such as St. Louis, Dante, Chaucer, Michaelangelo, just to scratch the surface.

Look at the movie, Bella. Not sure if the writer/director is Catholic or not, but that this the type of media we would have if Catholics were ACTING as Catholics.

By the way, as a side note, if you havn’t seen that movie, do yourself a huge favor and watch it.
 
distracted said:
Yes, there can be good non-Catholic presidents, senators, etc… but I am sorry - Catholics (good ones) know more about objective truth and the way God really sees things than Protestants do…

Protestants, for example, seem to always justify abortion…

I am wondering why Roe v Wade is not overturned? If our Supreme Court justices were all devout Catholics, i believe it would have been…
Click to expand...
these generalizations are so off the wall it is not even funny. being Catholic is no surety of orthodox belief and practice applied to politics and government. Just look at the record of professed Catholics in public life today, which is in many cases simply shameful.
 
Let’s look at the history of Catholic States that were run by allegedly orthodox Catholic rulers and tell me they were better organized, operated, free, prosperous, peaceful, safe, free of corruption then the existing secular countries. For example Spain, the Holy Roman Empire, the Papal States (the Papal States early career the Borgia and Medici popes not after Napoleon,) etc. The reality is power corrupts and absolute power makes you stupid.

As a free secular society we need to put up with a lot least we abuse someone’s civil rights. And, it seems like everybody has an agenda with the objectivebeing to suck more milk out of the governments teat. This puts the responsibility on us, the people to stay diligent and informed about what these leaders of ours’ are saying and the reality of what they are doing. We can not trust anyone, we must love everyone but most of all remain ever ready to chuck out the busters that slip off the straight and narrow.

If we, as a collective group will not insist on moral upright honest leadership then we as a people can not complain on what we get. And for my money Catholics are no more prone to being moral, up right, and honest than anyone else.

Again look to the historical precedents. (And I know historical analogy is tricky and easily deceitful. And this is my own private interpretation of the histories I’ve read. So, it aint worth much.) Roman was built as a republic. Not a perfect republic but as long as the people felt a vested interest in the success or failure of the country they survived. In the long history of the republic private depravity was not accepted and definitely there was great pressure for the questor to make account for the public treasury. Furthermore, these old boys were no different than people today. There really aren’t any new sins under the sun. As Roman became prosperous, greater became the temptation to raid public monies for private use. More and more the populous was disaffected by the good of the country and became more interested in their own welfare. So, it seems to me as long as the people we always looking over the leadership shoulders abuses were corrected. That is until the people became tired of the rough and tumble nature of deciding between ambitious people, party and factions. The last years were filled with civil wars because the notion of compulsory national service became subsidized with private armies more beholding to their generals then the country. Things went from bad to worse until the republic was replaced with an empire.

The fact that the empire fell was no surprise, to paraphrase Gibbon but, that it took so long is amazing.
 
I think 4 or 5 of the current Supreme Court Justices are Catholic which I think is a good thing, but when we have Catholics like Pelosi, Kerry, Kennedy, Richardson, and Giuliani in government that call themselves Catholic and support abortion and unjust wars the reasons our country is messed up is not because we don’t have more Catholics in government, but the kinds of Catholics we elect.
 
You’re right.

As much as we love our country, it’s founded on bad ideas that were trendy at the time of the constitution but since then have been pretty much discredited. They were anti-Catholic, enlightenment ideas (that’s what the “Enlightenment” was, the “escape” from the Catholic middle ages) and this country was founded by Deists and Protestants.
 
I’ve actually heard Protestants say that the best things Catholics can do is stay away from politics. They said this because most of the Catholics in public office right now are doing far more in opposition to the Gospel (promoting abortion, etc.) than they are doing to promote the Gospel.

Of course, I would say we need good Catholics in public life, but I can understand where they’re coming from!
 
distracted said:
Yes, there can be good non-Catholic presidents, senators, etc… but I am sorry - Catholics (good ones) know more about objective truth and the way God really sees things than Protestants do…

Protestants, for example, seem to always justify abortion…

I am wondering why Roe v Wade is not overturned? If our Supreme Court justices were all devout Catholics, i believe it would have been…
Click to expand...
Five of them are Catholics, and most of those are devout. That’s one reason we’re relatively close to overturning Roe v. Wade.

Protestants do not “always justify abortion,” and most Catholics in public office seem to be pro-choice. They may not be good or devout Catholics from your perspective, but the historical fact is that Catholics have most often supported the Democratic Party, and the Democrats today are pro-choice. Furthermore, in spite of all the protests of conservative Catholics, many Catholics vote on the basis of issues other than abortion and consider the Democrats superior on those issues.

So your analysis is wrong. No doubt if Catholics who agreed with you were in office Roe v. Wade would be quickly overturned. But if Protestants who agreed with me were in office, the same thing would happen!

Edwin
 
mschrank said:
You’re right.

As much as we love our country, it’s founded on bad ideas that were trendy at the time of the constitution but since then have been pretty much discredited.
Click to expand...
Huh??? Could you please elaborate?
 
Joe_5859 said:
I’ve actually heard Protestants say that the best things Catholics can do is stay away from politics. They said this because most of the Catholics in public office right now are doing far more in opposition to the Gospel (promoting abortion, etc.) than they are doing to promote the Gospel.

Of course, I would say we need good Catholics in public life, but I can understand where they’re coming from!
Click to expand...
Sad but true.😦
 
Yep, you could’ve voted for John Kerry, the Catholic politician, but you didn’t.
 
idrum677 said:
Huh??? Could you please elaborate?
Click to expand...
Yeah, that statement was somewhat out there. The “problem” is that the freedoms we have in the U.S. force believers to work harder to spread their particular religion: when you no longer have a monopoly on religion, you actually have to work to grow. Just look at the decline of the Church of England. I don’t know many Catholics who are vocal about their religion. That’s simply my experience, and others may have different perceptions. I don’t think it’s any coincidence that those religions that are growing fastest are those that are the most evangelistic; I’ve never been proselytized by a Catholic; however, I have been by Baptists, CoCers, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc. Not that this makes them right, but like many areas of life, those who speak loudest are the ones that are heard. If Catholics want their voices to be heard, it’s gotta be at the grass-roots level, not by “electing a Catholic to office.”

BTW, after giving this some more consideration, the last Catholic President we had had an affair (JFK).
 
scott1228 said:
I would rephrase the OP like this:

The decline of our nation is exacerbated by those Catholics who choose not to act like Catholics.

Look at the number of Catholics in the following areas: Government, education, media and arts.

Now think of all those people and count on one hand those that you think are really trying to live out the Catholic values.

Now look back at history and see the enormous impact of Catholics such as St. Louis, Dante, Chaucer, Michaelangelo, just to scratch the surface.

Look at the movie, Bella. Not sure if the writer/director is Catholic or not, but that this the type of media we would have if Catholics were ACTING as Catholics.

By the way, as a side note, if you havn’t seen that movie, do yourself a huge favor and watch it.
Click to expand...
You, Sir, explain this more eloquently than I. I yield to your rephrasing. I would like to add, it is not majority of Protestants that are complaisant on abortion etc. This is one BIG reason why Catholics are viewed as hypocrites. Protestants look at our Catechism and then look at the majority of Catholics that support eugenics Politicians and laugh with disdain.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top