H
HoldingGodsHand
Guest
So what exactly is our daily bread? What does it mean? I probably know, but I don’t. 
Our super-substantial bread. Read Brant Pitres book, Jesus and the Jewish Roots of the Eucharist. It will really put this in perspective for you beautifully. It is the new Passover, manna, and bread of the presence, to sum it all up.So what exactly is our daily bread? What does it mean? I probably know, but I don’t.![]()
It does mean both physical as well as spiritual benefits from God. It’s fine to say it can refer to the Eucharist, but since Jesus didn’t specifically say this, and he was teaching about how to prayer in general terms, we cannot say that he only had the Eucharist in mind. After all, not everyone can receive the Eucharist daily, but we all need to eat ordinary food daily as well as breath. God sustains us from moment to moment and provides our needs, temporal and eternal. That is what Jesus means.Ok so now I feel even more stupid, but by the bread it just means the eucharist? I mean, I know the eucharist is “bread” but I thought the term “our daily bread” meant more than just the eucharist. I don’t know why I thought that though![]()
Daily bread? How can it mean the eucharist? There is no church law to take the eucharist daily. In fact, I believe we only have to receive once a year, or maybe twice? So I have no clue how that could be daily bread.Ok so now I feel even more stupid, but by the bread it just means the eucharist? I mean, I know the eucharist is “bread” but I thought the term “our daily bread” meant more than just the eucharist. I don’t know why I thought that though![]()
You are thinking in English now and you need to go back to the original languages used in these documents. If “daily” were the only or foremost meaning intended in this prayer, then the inspired authors would have used different words:Daily bread? How can it mean the eucharist? There is no church law to take the eucharist daily. In fact, I believe we only have to receive once a year, or maybe twice? So I have no clue how that could be daily bread.
Like I said, I’ve always felt that daily bread was sustenance that we need each day to stay alive.
But they used “επιούσιος” and to ignore the Eucharistic meaning of that word is to be blind to the whole of Jesus’ teachings.The Greek term otherwise used throughout the New Testament for “daily” is kath hemeran (καθ’ ἡμέραν, “according to the day”).
The most conspicuous difficulty in the original text of the Our Father concerns the interpretation of the words artos epiousios which in accordance with the Vulgate in St. Luke we translate “our daily bread”, St. Jerome, by a strange inconsistency, changed the pre-existing word quotidianum into supersubstantialem in St. Matthew but left quotidianum in St. Luke. The opinion of modern scholars upon the point is sufficiently indicated by the fact that the Revised Version still prints “daily” in the text, but suggests in the margin “our bread for the coming day”, while the American Committee wished to add “our needful bread”.
This is where we need to remember that Scripture is meant for our spiritual good, not just our bodily, mental or emotional good. While we as individuals don’t need to receive the Eucharist daily, and most of us don’t, still it is offered daily around the world. If one looks at the time zones, the Eucharist is being offered somewhere in the world throughout the day.Daily bread? How can it mean the eucharist? There is no church law to take the eucharist daily. In fact, I believe we only have to receive once a year, or maybe twice? So I have no clue how that could be daily bread.
Like I said, I’ve always felt that daily bread was sustenance that we need each day to stay alive.
The Lord’s Prayer comes from Jesus’s teaching (Matthew 6:9-13, Luke 11:2-4) which was chronologically before the Last Supper. But that doesn’t necessarily mean it doesn’t refer to the Eucharist, as Jesus also spoke of the Eucharist prior to the Last Supper (John 6).I guess my question might be this…
Which came first, the Lords Prayer or the Last Supper?
I would just add that God is not limited by time and space. He sees everything from an eternal perspective, not along a timeline, as we most often do. In order to understand spiritual truths, one must see as God sees and not as humans see. It makes everything fall into place.I guess my question might be this…
Which came first, the Lords Prayer or the Last Supper?