Our Father before Communion?

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Someone told me that it was obligatory to be present at Mass since at least the Our Father in order to take communion. So it would mean that, for example, if it’s Wednesday and you want to make a detour in the Church just in order to take comunion, but not assist at the whole Mass, you can’t arrive at the precise moment of communion. You must arrive before and be present at least for the Our Father. Is this true?
 
opop said:
for example, if it’s Wednesday and you want to make a detour in the Church just in order to take comunion, but not assist at the whole Mass, you can’t arrive at the precise moment of communion.
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I know it’s not an nswer to your question, but – that seems very disrespectful.
 
angel12 said:
I know it’s not an nswer to your question, but – that seems very disrespectful.
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It may appear to be disrespectful, but one must consider what is happening in the life of others. Therefore, we must be respectful of the decisions of others. To judge it is wrong. Wednesday daily Mass is not obligatory (normally). I can understand your feelings, it’s human nature. It’s hard to focus on self at times, and we tend to judge so easily.

In opop’s case, we do not know what their morning was like or what is happening in their life. Consider this scenario: Mass is at 8 am. At 7:30, already to go to Mass, I get a call from my doctor that I must be seen as soon as possible; no explanation. As I pass by the church at 8:15, I know I’m late, but I have this burning desire to receive communion for it will relieve my nervousness. There is no disrespect meant. The morning just happened that way. Would we, as loving Catholics, look down on someone without knowing their reasons?

Of course, there may be some that might make this a habit, but that is on their conscience, not ours. Nevertheless, we should, IMHO, embrace the fact that the Eucharist is important in someone else’s life and assume there just might be a hardship issue that made them late.

I think, “at least the Our Father” is just one’s take on the situation since the Lord’s Prayer is the first thing we do as we enter into the “Communion Rite.” Does it have to be recited with the community or as we run into church to receive Communion as in this case? Or, is it even obligatory?

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I’m sorry: just listened to the whole video above and basically repeated it.
 
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To fulfill your Sunday obligation you must be present at Mass at the beginning of the Offertory.
If you come after the priest has lifted the chalice veil off, than you have committed a mortal sin.
 
opop said:
Someone told me that it was obligatory to be present at Mass since at least the Our Father in order to take communion. So it would mean that, for example, if it’s Wednesday and you want to make a detour in the Church just in order to take comunion, but not assist at the whole Mass, you can’t arrive at the precise moment of communion. You must arrive before and be present at least for the Our Father. Is this true?
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You seem to be confused over Mass obligation and receiving Communion.

With regard to Communion, provided you are in a state of grace and properly disposed to receive, you may walk into Church straight into the Communion line and receive.
 
BridgetN said:
To fulfill your Sunday obligation you must be present at Mass at the beginning of the Offertory.
If you come after the priest has lifted the chalice veil off, than you have committed a mortal sin.
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Likewise (and with all due respect) there is no such rule as that either.
 
BridgetN said:
To fulfill your Sunday obligation you must be present at Mass at the beginning of the Offertory.
If you come after the priest has lifted the chalice veil off, than you have committed a mortal sin.
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First, there is no such rule, only the speculation of moral theologians.

Second, without knowing any of the circumstances that caused this person to be late, it is imprudent to even begin to discuss whether mortal sin exists. There are so many circumstances to consider.
 
angel12 said:
I specifically said “seems.” Maybe you should be more careful of judging the motives of others, yourself.
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Wow, right out of the corner with a punch to the head! Sorry, Angel, but the word “seems” might soften the judgment of “very disrespectful” to you, not me. If you reread my post, you will notice that I said we must be respectful and we must not judge. That was not calling you out alone, it was including me and everyone as well.
You give me a unique view of “angels.” Sounds like you got some spunk in ya! LOL!
 
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babochka said:
Second, without knowing any of the circumstances that caused this person to be late, it is imprudent to even begin to discuss whether mortal sin exists. There are so many circumstances to consider.
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Agreed. There was a Sunday when I didn’t think I’d be able to attend Sunday Mass at all, but things finished quicker than expected. I ended up arriving after the homily. Maybe I could arrived a couple minutes earlier than that, but I was getting a ride from someone and they were having a conversation. It’s something that I try to remember when I feel like judging someone as I know how it must’ve looked.

At the same time, if I had had the time to attend a later Mass where I hadn’t missed so much, I would’ve done so.
 
angel12 said:
I know it’s not an nswer to your question, but – that seems very disrespectful.
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Why? If it’s a day when you’re not obliged to assist at Mass, then I don’t see why wanting the grace of communion without assisting at the whole Mass would be disrespectful (unless there is a specific rule for that; but from what I understand by the other answers, there is not).
 
BridgetN said:
To fulfill your Sunday obligation you must be present at Mass at the beginning of the Offertory.
If you come after the priest has lifted the chalice veil off, than you have committed a mortal sin.
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Are you sure it’s at the beginning of the offertory for the Sunday obligation ? I thought it was at the homily. Anyways, my question was about a Mass you’re not obliged to assist.
 
opop said:
Are you sure it’s at the beginning of the offertory for the Sunday obligation ? I thought it was at the homily. Anyways, my question was about a Mass you’re not obliged to assist.
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I have never seen anything written as to time when your obligation runs out and is no longer valid. I would like to think that it all lies in your heart and your honest intentions. If your intention is to be on time for Mass and traffic holds you up because of any number of things, all is OK that you arrive during or after the Homily. However, if you are ready, but an interesting program is on TV and you cannot remove yourself from the couch on time and you are late, perhaps that is another story. Knowing that watching the program will make you late is not being honest with your intentions.
 
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opop said:
Someone told me that it was obligatory to be present at Mass since at least the Our Father in order to take communion.
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“Someone” is wrong. There is no requirement that you be present at Mass by a certain point in order to take communion.

Many people have individual opinions on “how late is too late”, or were taught by the nuns in their Catholic school something like you had to be there by Gospel time, but the Church has not come out and stated a point beyond which it’s too late.
 
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BridgetN said:
To fulfill your Sunday obligation you must be present at Mass at the beginning of the Offertory.
If you come after the priest has lifted the chalice veil off, than you have committed a mortal sin.
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I have no idea where you got this from, but it is completely wrong.
Please do not propagate misinformation about Church teaching on here.

First of all, the Church has not stated a required time by which you must be present at Mass to meet your Sunday obligation.
We have been over this on threads before and it seems like some people were taught as children by their Catholic school teachers or by their parents that you had to arrive by the time of the Gospel, or homily, or offertory, etc or it didn’t “count”, but the Church does not have such a rule.

Second of all, even if the person missed Mass entirely or arrived as Mass was letting out, the determination of whether it was a mortal sin or not would depend on the circumstances and the intent of the person. It would not be an automatic mortal sin.
 
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BridgetN said:
To fulfill your Sunday obligation you must be present at Mass at the beginning of the Offertory.
If you come after the priest has lifted the chalice veil off, than you have committed a mortal sin.
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You are completely in error withese comments.
 
The only rule that I am aware of is that you must fast one hour before you receive Holy Communion. If mass is going on I recommend that if you come late that it be for a good reason and that you enter in a way that doesn’t draw attention to yourself.
 
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