Our Father--heresy?

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I have a question about one of the passages in the Our Father, “and lead us not into temptation.” Where is this in the Bible? How can God lead us into temptation? Isn’t that incorrect?
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"Verse 13: “Lead us Not into Temptation”…God is not the tempter of evil, nor is He the author of sin (James 1:13). He tempts no man; we pray that He would not suffer the devil to tempt us above our strength; that he would remove the temptations, or enable us to overcome them, and deliver us from evil, particularly the evil of sin.

It is not a sin to be tempted. Our Blessed Lord Himself was tempted. We also must be tempted if we are to acquire any virtue. But we pray that when temptation comes, as it so often does, that we may not be overcome by it."

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I believe the Spanish translation (translated back to English) is something along the lines “…and do not let us fall into temptation.”

I agree it’s probably a bad or outdated translation. Unfortunately I think many people would be weird if you tried to change it. They would rather continue to rattle off the prayer than be a little uncomfortable having to be conscious of what they’re saying.
 
Yes, I know that Jesus was tempted, and it is a great sourse of conolation for both me and millions of people. I just don’t like our translation like Mildrid said. “lead us not” sounds like he could lead us into which I know of course is impossible!
 
The NAB traanslates and comments on the verse in the following way:

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and do not subject us to the final test, but deliver us from the evil one.​

[13] Jewish apocalyptic writings speak of a period of severe trial before the end of the age, sometimes called the “messianic woes.” This petition asks that the disciples be spared that final test.
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The Navarre Bible comments thusly:
  1. “And lead us not into temptation”: “We do not ask to be totally exempt from temptation, for human life is one continuous temptation (cf. Job 7:1). What, then, do we pray for in this petition? We pray that the divine assistance may not forsake us, lest having been deceived, or worsted, we should yield to temptation; and that the grace of God may be at hand to succor us when our strength fails, to refresh and invigorate us in our trials” (“St. Pius V Catechism”, IV, 15, 14).
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In this petition of the “Our Father” we recognize that our human efforts alone do not take us very far in trying to cope with temptation, and that we need to have humble recourse to God, to get the strength we need. For, “God is strong enough to free you from everything and can do you more good than all the devils can do you harm. All that God decrees is that you confide in Him, that you draw near Him, that you trust Him and distrust yourself, and so be helped; and with this help you will defeat whatever hell brings against you. Never lose hold of this firm hope …] even if the demons are legion and all kinds of severe temptations harass you. Lean upon Him, because if the Lord is not your support and your strength, then you will fall and you will be afraid of everything” (St. John of Avila, “Sermons, 9, First Sunday of Lent”).
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Finally, the lesser known Christian Community Bible says about this verse:
Do not bring us to the test. Thus speak those who know their weaknesses and little faith.
We will be more prudent if we know that the enemy is not simply evil, but the evil one. Somebody stronger than ourselves is watching to deceive us, to make us lose faith and fall, as soon as we feel sure of ourselves and abandon the means given by Jesus for perseverance in the faith and in the Church.
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Heartaflame, I don’t think this is a question of heresey but as it has been pointed out it is more of a poor translation, or put in a positive mode, as Fedelis presented, the NAB, as well as the Revised Standard Version - Catholic Edition (RSV-CE) translates it as being delivered from the,“Final Test.” I would suggest that you look up the Lord’s Prayer in the NAB as presented in Luke. It is not as long or as flowing as the “Our Father” as we are use to but it simplicity may give you new insight (or re enforce what you already know) into this prayer given us by Christ Jesus Himself.
 
Thanks, that makes sense. I always wondered about that. A priest told me that we are praying a heresy when we pray the Our Father and it really disturbed me. Thank you.
 
First Epistle Of Saint Paul To The Corinthians
10:13** Let no temptation take hold on you, but such as is human. And God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that which you are able: but will make also with temptation issue, that you may be able to bear it. **

Epistle Of Saint James 1:12
12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation; for when he hath been proved, he shall receive a crown of life, which God hath promised to them that love him

Book Of Tobias 12:13 13 And because thou wast acceptable to God, it was necessary that temptation should prove thee.

First Book Of Machabees 2:52 52** Was not Abraham found faithful in temptation, and it was reputed to him unto justice?**

Second Epistle Of Saint Peter 2:9 9** The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly from temptation, but to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be tormented.**

Book Of Proverbs 17:3 3 **As silver is tried by fire, and gold in the furnace: so the Lord trieth the hearts. **
 
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heartaflame:
I wonder why we don’t say that in the Our Father?
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“Lead us not into temptation” is retained because it is more traditional and familiar. It is from a more biblically literate time when most people knew (or should have known, if they were properly catechized) that “temptation” had the additional meaning of “test.”

There are two ways to address this: either you dumb everything down so that no one needs to learn their Faith on any deeper level that a sit-com, or you encourage and provide them a better knowledge of the Faith. Since you are here asking questions, you obviously have chosen the better portion.
 
Fidelis said:
“Lead us not into temptation” is retained because it is more traditional and familiar. It is from a more biblically literate time when most people knew (or should have known, if they were properly catechized) that “temptation” had the additional meaning of “test.”

There are two ways to address this: either you dumb everything down so that no one needs to learn their Faith on any deeper level that a sit-com, or you encourage and provide them a better knowledge of the Faith. Since you are here asking questions, you obviously have chosen the better portion.
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I think we should NOT be too arrogant about leading people to the truth. In charity, the message needs to be taken to all kinds of people, who have a RIGHT to have it explained to them. Even Jesus said to let the little children come to him.

Even the renowned late Fr. Raymond E. Brown said that fully 15% of the Bible is incomprehensible.

Remember, too, that Emmanuel said that he who wants to be greatest of all must be the servant of all.
 
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BayCityRickL:
I think we should NOT be too arrogant about leading people to the truth. In charity, the message needs to be taken to all kinds of people, who have a RIGHT to have it explained to them. Even Jesus said to let the little children come to him.

Even the renowned late Fr. Raymond E. Brown said that fully 15% of the Bible is incomprehensible.

Remember, too, that Emmanuel said that he who wants to be greatest of all must be the servant of all.
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I stand by my statement. You can teach the Faith simply to ALL persons at ANY level of experience or comprehension without dumbing it down. The reason we have a whole generation of poorly catechized Catholics is because they were given fluff instead of meat. I teach adults in Corfirmation, Bible study and apologetics classes that are absolutely resentful that they were never shown what the Church teaches on an adult level.

In former years even very small children could memorize the timeless truths of the Baltimore Catechism. Theologically, my ten year old can run circles around the average Catholic in the pew. Even though one may quible about the rote Q/A methodology of the BC, at least the knowledge was imparted and there was something to build on. Sad. 😦
 
The word here translated “temptation” means originally “trial” or “test” as in James 1:2 ( word pictures ).

another overlooked part of Matthew 6 is protect us from the “evil one” instead of just “evil”.
 
Jim Blackburn of AAA answered this question nicely:

God does not lead anyone into temptation. When we pray “lead us not into temptation” we are asking God to protect us from entering into or yielding to temptation. The Catechism of the Catholic Church (CCC) explains:

“This petition goes to the root of the preceding one, for our sins result from our consenting to temptation; we therefore ask our Father not to “lead” us into temptation. It is difficult to translate the Greek verb used by a single English word: the Greek means both “do not allow us to enter into temptation” and "do not let us yield to temptation”. God cannot be tempted by evil and he himself tempts no one; on the contrary, he wants to set us free from evil. We ask him not to allow us to take the way that leads to sin. We are engaged in the battle “between flesh and spirit”; this petition implores the Spirit of discernment and strength” (CCC 2846).
 
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thistle:
Jim Blackburn of **AAA ** answered this question nicely:
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Good answer. And I only thought they had good maps, road service and car insurance. 😉
 
looking at the three texts involved.

Jesus was tempted in matthew 4, the our father in Matthew 6 and God is not tempted in James ( therefore Jesus can not be god says JWs ).

Jesus was led into the wilderness for temptation and his temptation was external in source, satan.

In James, God can not be tempted to sin because God does not have an internal sin nature. Whereas, man is tempted to sin from inside due to his sin nature.

Led us not into testing, protect us from the evil one. Don’t led us into the wilderness for trail to be tested, shifted by the evil one, satan. Remember the book of Job too.

Thus scripture does not ever record Jesus being tempted internally, by his sin nature which means he is God.

which raises the question did Elijah or Mary have a sin nature?
If they were human, then they must have had one. And, must have had to deal with internal temptations.
 
**The devil tempting Jesus 3 times: **

In Mathew 4:1-2 “Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. After he had fasted forty days and forty nights, then he felt hungry.” **One has to ask himself a very simple question here: Why would Jesus allow the Devil to lead him to the wilderness to try to tempt him if he were God? This clearly proves that Jesus is not and can not be God!!!. **

In Mathew 4:5-6 “The the devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him upon the battlement of the temple and said to him: If you are a son of God, hurl yourself down; for it is written He (Jehovah) will give his angels a charge concerning you, and they will carry you on their hands, that you may at no time strike your foot against a stone. Jesus said to him: Again it is written, you must not put Jehovah your God to the test.” ** Here we see that the devil for the second time tried to tempt Jesus and have him do things that would make him doubt his GOD Jehovah or Allah. Jesus replied to him by telling him that no matter what you try to do, you will never be able to test your GOD (your creator). The devil was trying to have Jehovah or Allah send angels to Jesus, and Jesus made it clear to the devil that no one can put GOD to the test, and no one can have GOD do anything without the will of GOD. The devil will never be able to have Jehovah or Allah send down his angels if Jehovah didn’t will it.**

In Mathew 4:8-10 “Again the devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, and he said to him: All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me. Then Jesus said to him: God away Satan! For it is written, It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone, you must render sacred service.” Here we clearly see that after the devil offered Jesus the world, Jesus told him to go away and to go and worship Allah Almighty or Jehovah. One has to ask himself a very simple question here: If Jesus was Jehovah, then how come he didn’t tell Satan in Mathew 4:8-10 “It is me whom you must worship” ? Jesus told Satan “It is Jehovah your God you must worship”, which clearly shows that Jesus is not Jehovah!!!.
 
Why would God allow himself to be tempted during the incarnation by the devil?

simple,

Hebrews 4:15
For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet was without sin.

and,

Philippians 2:5-11

5Think of yourselves the way Christ Jesus thought of himself. 6He had equal status with God but didn’t think so much of himself that he had to cling to the advantages of that status no matter what. 7Not at all. When the time came, he set aside the privileges of deity and took on the status of a slave, became human! 8Having become human, he stayed human. It was an incredibly humbling process. He didn’t claim special privileges. Instead, he lived a selfless, obedient life and then died a selfless, obedient death–and the worst kind of death at that: a crucifixion.
9Because of that obedience, God lifted him high and honored him far beyond anyone or anything, ever, 10so that all created beings in heaven and on earth--even those long ago dead and buried--will bow in worship before this Jesus Christ, 11and call out in praise that he is the Master of all, to the glorious honor of God the Father.
 
Dandelion_Wine:

Just a note of addition and to keep things in balance.

The test bed of Christ was not the same as any other man. His was somewhat elevated and less taxing than for any man. He did not require faith he was God nor require hope, but knew these and were these. From this he could tap into a resource no one else had.

We struggle with hope and faith, which having these assured, seeing heaven in all it’s glory, seeing the Father, being one in the Trinity, we could also avoid all sin, and satan carrying us to the spire would also be of no avail to him, nor can our crucified selves be a hindrance to our goal.

He suffered, yes, but I can find no evidence that Christ suffered to the maximum man could suffer, which would be psychologically as well as physically.

Andy
 
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