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When did “for thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory are yours now and forever” get added to the Our Father?
 
I always took that additional phrase as protestant and now adopted by the RC faith.

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Savior2012 said:
I always took that additional phrase as protestant and now adopted by the RC faith.

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During the Hours and the Divine Liturgy etc. in Eastern Catholic and Orthodox services it is the priest, or the bishop, who chants “For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory: of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto the ages of ages.” The people’s part ends with “deliver us from the evil one.”
 
It was part of the early liturgies, as a response to the recitation of the Lord’s Prayer.

We see this in the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom that is used by the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholics
People:
Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be Thy name.
Thy kingdom come;
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven.
Give us this day our daily bread,
and forgive us our trespasses
as we forgive those who trespass against us,
and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
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Priest:
For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, now and forever and to the ages of ages.
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Note that it is not really an ‘addition’ but rather a response to a prayer said in Church.

As Mark noted, it was recommended to say that after the prayer as early as the 100’s, but it is NOT a part of the prayer itself.

Some later editions of the Gosple of Mark had that doxology added as marginalia ( notes on the side) that then were copied into the text itself. Those manuscripts were used by Protestants in their translations and they mistakenly assumed that it was Sacred Text.

Catholic editions do not have that added text, but retain it as it was originally developed, as a doxology.
 
MarkThompson said:
At least by the time of the Didache (c. 8, v. 10), so round about the year 100.
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During the Hours and the Divine Liturgy etc. in Eastern Catholic and Orthodox services it is the priest, or the bishop, who chants “For Thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory: of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, now and ever, and unto the ages of ages.” The people’s part ends with “deliver us from the evil one.”
 
Brendan said:
It was part of the early liturgies, as a response to the recitation of the Lord’s Prayer.

We see this in the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom that is used by the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholics

Note that it is not really an ‘addition’ but rather a response to a prayer said in Church.

As Mark noted, it was recommended to say that after the prayer as early as the 100’s, but it is NOT a part of the prayer itself.

Some later editions of the Gosple of Mark had that doxology added as marginalia ( notes on the side) that then were copied into the text itself. Those manuscripts were used by Protestants in their translations and they mistakenly assumed that it was Sacred Text.

Catholic editions do not have that added text, but retain it as it was originally developed, as a doxology.
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Aw you beat me to it ;)👍

See, being familiar with the East pays off. We can compare what is ancient and shared by the early Church. We can easily refute misnomers about certain practices as being “Protestant” because we will see one part of the Church has been doing the same thing for ages.
 
Brendan said:
Note that it is not really an ‘addition’ but rather a response to a prayer said in Church.
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How I took it to be too. When we were younger, and learning it in school and what not, we weren’t taught to say it. Nice to know more about it, thank you!
 
I grew up with the understanding that it was a Protestant addition. Then once my Latin was good enough I noticed it followed on from the Pater Noster in Compline just after the Te Deum Laudamus.

It is an ancient prayer and formed part of early Liturgies. It followed on from the Pater Noster in the Sarum Rite Mass used in England before the reformation and the familiar translation used by the Church of England came via the Book of Common Prayer. It was dropped by the Council of Trent (too Protestant;)) It was reintroduced to the Mass with the 1968 Missale Romanum and its translations - but with a prayer separating it from the Our Father.

It’s interesting that Calvinist Churches who seek Biblical justification for everything include the Anglican version of the addition even though it’s not in the Bible.
 
jimrob said:
It’s interesting that Calvinist Churches who seek Biblical justification for everything include the Anglican version of the addition even though it’s not in the Bible.
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Yes, indeed!
 
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