Our New Latin Setting for the Mass

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severinus:
No, bear, wicked is correct (the word also means guilty or evil).

I think, though, from what you said in your second paragraph, you may have gotten it right. šŸ™‚
Woo hoo! What do I win?! :dancing: See? If I can figure it out, Latin canā€™t be that hard to learn. I am quite stupid so if I can do it, anyone can. However, it hasnā€™t helped me with my grammar (Iā€™m sure youā€™ve all noticed) like I heard it would. Oh well. Maybe after I complete this year of Latina Christiana with my kids, Iā€™ll have a better grasp.
 
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Pug:
I typed several humorous responses to this, but eventually some amount of prudence prevailed.

Can you please translate?
Well, now that the person to whom the post was directed may not be with us for a while, here you go:
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Is it only the Novus Ordo Missae which you reject? Many composers have written new music for the Tridentine Mass. By your reasoning, these composers were guilty (accursed).

You may respond in Latin, as the Latin language belongs to the Church.**

The poster to whom I directed this has been a constant denigrator of the Novus Ordo Missae and of the Second Vatican Council, going so far as to call the Novus Ordo Missae a ā€œmongrel riteā€ and ā€œProtestant - Masonic.ā€ He has been a champion of the TLM as the normative rite. I thought that surely someone who wanted to argue about the ā€œpro multisā€ and the alleged ā€œbowdlerizationā€ of the Confiteor would know Latin.

Apparently not.

His are the usual arguments of the schismatics: That sneaky Freemason Bugnini and his cabal of six Masonic/demonic Protestants destroyed the Mass which had existed since the time of St. Peter. Then Vatican II really got rolling and got almost the entire Church Militant to apostasize, because 1 billion Catholics are no match for a few determined guys in goofy aprons. :hmmm:

I prefer the TLM and find much to dislike about the ā€˜Spirit of Vatican II,ā€™ but will not take the leap into schism: Ubi Petrus ibi Ecclesia.
 
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bear06:
Woo hoo! What do I win?! :dancing: See? If I can figure it out, Latin canā€™t be that hard to learn. I am quite stupid so if I can do it, anyone can. However, it hasnā€™t helped me with my grammar (Iā€™m sure youā€™ve all noticed) like I heard it would. Oh well. Maybe after I complete this year of Latina Christiana with my kids, Iā€™ll have a better grasp.
Youā€™ve already won by remaining within the Church and not abandoning the Barque of Peter for a leaky lifeboat which nobody needed in the first place. šŸ™‚
 
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severinus:
Youā€™ve already won by remaining within the Church and not abandoning the Barque of Peter for a leaky lifeboat which nobody needed in the first place. šŸ™‚
Wow! I did get it and I agree that Iā€™ve already won. šŸ‘
 
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bear06:
Wow! I did get it and I agree that Iā€™ve already won. šŸ‘
Vere praemium optimum cepisti. šŸ‘

And keep up the Latin study. If you need any help, let me know.

Quid dictum latine dictum in saecula saeculorum.
 
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severinus:
Well, now that the person to whom the post was directed may not be with us for a while, here you go:

Is it only the Novus Ordo Missae which you reject? Many composers have written new music for the Tridentine Mass. By your reasoning, these composers were guilty (accursed).

You may respond in Latin, as the Latin language belongs to the Church.


The poster to whom I directed this has been a constant denigrator of the Novus Ordo Missae and of the Second Vatican Council, going so far as to call the Novus Ordo Missae a ā€œmongrel riteā€ and ā€œProtestant - Masonic.ā€ He has been a champion of the TLM as the normative rite. I thought that surely someone who wanted to argue about the ā€œpro multisā€ and the alleged ā€œbowdlerizationā€ of the Confiteor would know Latin.

Apparently not.

His are the usual arguments of the schismatics: That sneaky Freemason Bugnini and his cabal of six Masonic/demonic Protestants destroyed the Mass which had existed since the time of St. Peter. Then Vatican II really got rolling and got almost the entire Church Militant to apostasize, because 1 billion Catholics are no match for a few determined guys in goofy aprons. :hmmm:

I prefer the TLM and find much to dislike about the ā€˜Spirit of Vatican II,ā€™ but will not take the leap into schism: Ubi Petrus ibi Ecclesia.
God bless you, Severinus.
 
I am now a member of a parish that celebrates the mass of the old rite. But anywho, the only latin I heard in my old parish for adeste fideles for christmas and tantum ergo for maundy thursday.

Everthing else is on eagles wings, lord of the dance, and amazin grace.
 
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severinus:
I prefer the TLM and find much to dislike about the ā€˜Spirit of Vatican II,ā€™ but will not take the leap into schism: Ubi Petrus ibi Ecclesia.
Okay, Iā€™ll hazard a guessā€¦Where Peter is, there is the Church. It helps that Iā€™ve heard that phrase before.:bounce:
 
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Pug:
Okay, Iā€™ll hazard a guessā€¦Where Peter is, there is the Church. It helps that Iā€™ve heard that phrase before.:bounce:
Yep. No verb required (but you knew that). šŸ˜ƒ
 
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A.Pelliccio:
I am now a member of a parish that celebrates the mass of the old rite. But anywho, the only latin I heard in my old parish for adeste fideles for christmas and tantum ergo for maundy thursday.

Everthing else is on eagles wings, lord of the dance, and amazin grace.
At my parish, we strive for something of a balance. Iā€™m with you on Eagles Wings and Lord of the Dance. Amazing Grace is way overdone. That is, however, merely my subjective opinion.
 
severinus said:
šŸ™‚

Vere praemium optimum cepisti. šŸ‘

And keep up the Latin study. If you need any help, let me know.

Quid dictum latine dictum in saecula saeculorum.

Now youā€™re just making me work. Not just anyone can learn it to the level you have. Iā€™m really not good at foreign or dead languages. My brain isnā€™t wired that way.
 
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bear06:
Now youā€™re just making me work. Not just anyone can learn it to the level you have. Iā€™m really not good at foreign or dead languages. My brain isnā€™t wired that way.
Translations:

Indeed you have already won the best prize.

That which is said in Latin is said for all time.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Our choir director, a brilliant composer, today gave us the Latin Mass he composed. Obviously the Kyrie is in Greek. He gave us practice CDā€™s of it. It very nice, with the ā€œSalvador mundi, salve nosā€ for the Memorial acclamation. AND we will now be singing the Introits from the missalette. He composed the musical setting for the first one for next week and itā€™s incredible. So no more possibility of banal music for the procession, at least, and weā€™re in compliance with the desire of the Church for more Latin.

Are any other parishes moving toward have the parts of the Mass of Paul VI that involve recitation by the congregation doing anything like this?
Weā€™ve been using some plainchant and/or Latin for about 10 years.

Sometimes we use the Entrance Antiphon during Lent. During Lent and Advent we use plainchant and/or Latin for the Sanctus, Memorial Acclamation, Amen and Agnus Dei. The parish uses 4 or 5 settings for the Gloria over the year, several of which are in Latin. And the choirs sing something in Latin during the Presentation about once month.
 
I love the Latin Mass. As a teenager, in the 60ā€™s as a member of the Choir I use to sing my lungs out. I loved it. However now I have mixed feeling. A few weeks ago I while reading a book, do not remember the title my grandson, (5 Year Old) came into the room and asked me what I was reading. I told him I was reading about a book on Jesus. My grandson grab another book, as he shuffle the pages I mentioned that these books donā€™t have pictures. He looked at me turn a number of pages and looking at the page he said ā€œFor this is My Body, This is My Blood, Do This is in Memory of Me.ā€ and Followed still looking at the page ā€œWhomever eats My Flesh and Drinks My Blood will leave Foreverā€. I was stunned. The only place he could have learned these passages was at Mass which is in English. If the Mass was in Latin, would he have learned the phrases?.
 
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MartinV:
I love the Latin Mass. As a teenager, in the 60ā€™s as a member of the Choir I use to sing my lungs out. I loved it. However now I have mixed feeling. A few weeks ago I while reading a book, do not remember the title my grandson, (5 Year Old) came into the room and asked me what I was reading. I told him I was reading about a book on Jesus. My grandson grab another book, as he shuffle the pages I mentioned that these books donā€™t have pictures. He looked at me turn a number of pages and looking at the page he said ā€œFor this is My Body, This is My Blood, Do This is in Memory of Me.ā€ and Followed still looking at the page ā€œWhomever eats My Flesh and Drinks My Blood will leave Foreverā€. I was stunned. The only place he could have learned these passages was at Mass which is in English. If the Mass was in Latin, would he have learned the phrases?.
Out of the mouths of babes! Thatā€™s incredible.
 
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severinus:
And keep up the Latin study. If you need any help, let me know.
severinus, where did you learn Latin? I would certinly like some advice on learning it myself.
 
I wonder how the ā€œpowers that beā€ would feel about opening a new Forum, where issues are discussed in latin and people can get help with learning to read and speak the languageā€¦
 
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hollingsworth:
Because it reeks of innovation. Truly the ā€˜spirit of Vatican IIā€™
Give me a break, not only is using more Latin in the Mass a welcome change to so many ugly music choices but it also gets Catholics more in touch with tradition, a tradition that has been lost in many places.
 
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