Out-of-wedlock birth

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This young woman and her child stand at a crucial juncture.

Go out of your way to offer support and encouragement. It’s not the time to judge.

Why is it that we Catholics only shun those who commit sexual sins? There’s something seriously WRONG with that.
We don’t. There are more Catholic-run adoption agencies and pregnancy services such as safe houses than any other kind. Don’t put forth such inflammatory statements. We Catholics do acknowledge that sin has been committed, unlike most of the rest of society, and we don’t celebrate the sin itself. But we don’t shun people who commit sexual sins.

:rolleyes:
 
We don’t. There are more Catholic-run adoption agencies and pregnancy services such as safe houses than any other kind. Don’t put forth such inflammatory statements. We Catholics do acknowledge that sin has been committed, unlike most of the rest of society, and we don’t celebrate the sin itself. But we don’t shun people who commit sexual sins.

:rolleyes:
This is a great point. A lot of the proponents of “choice” out there don’t want to have anything to do with helping the woman who decides to *have *her baby. They’ll pay for the abortion, they’ll give her that choice to make her go away and rationalize that they have “sympathy” for her, but they don’t want to deal with what Scrooge called “the surplus population” in any way that might cost them something.
 
Oh for crying out loud. It’s a BABY! It’s a good thing! Celebrate, be happy! Catholics are so damn weird, seriously.
 
Oh for crying out loud. It’s a BABY! It’s a good thing! Celebrate, be happy! Catholics are so damn weird, seriously.
It is a 16 year old having a baby, and the father younger than she is. Don’t make the difficulties of this out to be some kind of a guilt trip, let alone how bad an idea it would be if other 16 year olds ever got the stupid idea that it is no big deal. Ask a 40 year old who went through it at 16. It is a very big deal, and not a “oh for crying out loud, celebrate!” kind of thing. The young woman needs support, but she’s not likely to be throwing confetti herself…not because the baby isn’t a wonderful joy, but because the baby deserves so much that will take everything she has to manage.
 
My response has been, “A baby is always a blessing.”
Unfortunately often young girls like this want to keep the baby to have someone to love them, not because they have any notion of what raising a child entails. But hopefully she will mature through the process, and be a very good mother. And hopefully have big-hearted people in her life to help her, while not taking over completely.
 
Oh for crying out loud. It’s a BABY! It’s a good thing! Celebrate, be happy! Catholics are so damn weird, seriously.
Celebrate that a 16 year old girl had sex with and got herself pregnant by a boy who may be 14? I don’t think so! These sorts of things used to happen, but there was shame involved and the young woman would have seen the sense in giving her baby up for adoption to a couple who could provide a stable home. We’ve lost that shame completely and now there are hardly any adoptions - it’s either abort, or keep the baby and try to raise it with the help of parents and welfare. Is anyone better off for this societal shift? Certainly not the children, and probably not the young parents either. And there are many childless couples who cannot find an infant to adopt.

I dare you to experience your teen son or daughter deciding to have sex and then come at this situation from that angle. I can tell you that the possibility of a 15 or 16 year old becoming a parent isn’t a pleasant thought at all. Nothing to celebrate.
 
All babies should be celebrated regardless of how they came into the world. Are you thinking this is a new life and we should be glad and welcome him/her. Or are you thinking, this is a new life but because of how he/she came into this world they aren’t worth being celebrated and welcomed.

God knew this baby before he was formed in the womb (Jer 1:5). God knows the plans He has for this baby, plans for good and not evil to give him a future and a hope (Jer 29:11). This baby was fearfully and wonderfully made (Ps 139:14). This baby is a child of God, created in His image (Gen 1:27). The Spirit of God made him and the Breathe of God gives him life (Job 33:4). This child is a heritage of God (Ps 127:3).
 
I didn’t get through all of the posts, but how about this:

“I’m so very proud of you for choosing life. It won’t always be easy, but know that you have already given your little one the greatest gift of all! I will keep you and your precious bundle in my prayers.”.

You are not supporting the sex outside of marriage, but are supporting her choice to do the responsible, loving thing.
 
Taking all these posts into account, you can see why I’m conflicted.

Maybe there’s a middle ground between “I’m glad the baby and mother are healthy and I wish them the best,” and “I’m so happy for you!” because I’m not.
 
Taking all these posts into account, you can see why I’m conflicted.

Maybe there’s a middle ground between “I’m glad the baby and mother are healthy and I wish them the best,” and “I’m so happy for you!” because I’m not.
I agree with this post. I worry for the mother who had the baby at 16, because she will have a very tough road ahead of her. But we must pray for her, for she has many different challenges ahead of her, and as Catholics, we are called to love our neighbor as ourselves, and support them in their time of need.

I believe as Catholics we can give support without condoning this type of behavior. After all, God does it every day 😃
 
This young woman and her child stand at a crucial juncture.

Go out of your way to offer support and encouragement. It’s not the time to judge.

Why is it that we Catholics only shun those who commit sexual sins? There’s something seriously WRONG with that.
This.

This girl is facing humongous obstacles in her life now as a result of choosing to raise the child. She has given up a lot of her future to raise this baby. A reduced chance of higher education, worse paying jobs, a higher chance she will live in poverty. Not because she is now a mother, but because of the cultural/social restraints we put on mothers in general and because of her young age. I am not saying you have to agree with her decision but I think she is going to deal with enough disapproval and hardship in her life as a result of her choices. It doesn’t matter what the “ideal” choice would have been. It isn’t your decision to make. So I think you should do what you can to mitigate the deleterious effects this will have on her and her child’s life: buy her some diapers, offer to babysit when she goes to school, and encourage her to pursue higher education. If you are worried about your child glamorizing teen or single parenthood, show her the statistics on teen parents. Talk to your child.

Also, if a married friend had a baby via IVF would you refuse to celebrate the baby because of the nature of its conception?
 
Baby.

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The child’s family probably threw a fit and fretted and got scared and stressed, but then the whole thing comes to fruition and what do they see? A baby! One of them cute little buggers! And then they find it’s hard to remember what they were so upset about. That’s how it worked in my family anyhow. It’s a baby. Its only exports are poop, cuteness and joy. Everyone will be fine.
 
I didn’t get through all of the posts, but how about this:

**“I’m so very proud of you for choosing life. It won’t always be easy, but know that you have already given your little one the greatest gift of all! I will keep you and your precious bundle in my prayers.”. **

You are not supporting the sex outside of marriage, but are supporting her choice to do the responsible, loving thing.
Beautiful response! Well said! 👍
 
But, I always remember what I heard two women say some years ago. They were both Catholic, both administrators of social services agencies with years of experience. They agreed, “All the problems got worse when it became o.k. to have a baby out of wedlock.”

Again, I’m in full agreement with being supportive, charitable, forgiving, etc. But at the same time, it’s not o.k. There are huge obstacles mother and baby will face (even though the grandparents are 100% supportive and supporting), and we, as a society, can’t sweep those things under a rug.
 
I didn’t get through all of the posts, but how about this:

“I’m so very proud of you for choosing life. It won’t always be easy, but know that you have already given your little one the greatest gift of all! I will keep you and your precious bundle in my prayers.”.

You are not supporting the sex outside of marriage, but are supporting her choice to do the responsible, loving thing.
This sounds too personal for the situation, the daughter of a distant friend. You don’t want to tread on the family’s privacy.

First, we don’t know if the teenaged mother even considered abortion or not, and don’t want to insult her by assuming she must have contemplated such a horrible sin.

Then, even if she did consider it, the mother is more than just someone who didn’t have an abortion. Focusing any attention on abortion, even its absence, makes its a more viable “choose” next time, particularly if all the attention on the decision to keep the child is unwelcome.
 
Whenever anyone (of any age) announces a pregnancy or a birth of a baby outside of wedlock, I never say just, “Congratulations! I’m so happy for you!” because, well, it’s a lie - I’m not particularly happy about the circumstances. However, I AM happy that the baby is being born. So I usually say something along the lines of, “Congratulations on the birth of your baby! He is adorable. I hope everything went well and that you’re getting some time to recover.” You’re specific about WHAT you’re happy about and showing that you care without mentioning anything about the circumstances surrounding it.

It’s kind of like when people have an ugly baby (and I’ve seen a few). I don’t lie and tell them their baby is cute, but I make sure that I make some genuine and kind comment. “I’m so glad you and the baby are both healthy! He looks just like his daddy!” 😉
 
It’s kind of like when people have an ugly baby (and I’ve seen a few). I don’t lie and tell them their baby is cute, but I make sure that I make some genuine and kind comment. “I’m so glad you and the baby are both healthy! He looks just like his daddy!” 😉
Sick burn.
 
She is probably already feeling a ton of horrible things for getting pregnant so young. she’s already heard a ton of nasty comments from others. The LAST thing this girl needs is another person being negative about her situation. Yes, she made a bad decision. But she made a good decision too by not aborting the baby as she was probably pressured to do. Besides the actions of her parents, this child is a gift from God. Soon enough the child will become aware that their mom isn’t as respected as other moms are, just because she was so young. Whether or not Dad is still in the picture, this young girl needs a lot of support from good role models.
I don’t think OP was thinking about giving nasty comments to this girl, I think that considering the age and the circumstances that she felt uncomfortable in sending hugs and well wishes. That doesn’t mean that Op or anyone else wishes ill will towards the situation. Sadly, a 16 year old shouldn’t be having babies and she should do the mature thing and place the baby in adoption to a loving home with 2 parents (male and female).
In reality, young moms like this really don’t end up raising a baby, the child get pawned off on the grandma or other family members. I am sure because all life come from God that God does have a wonderful plan for this baby but even with that doesn’t mean everyone should be jumping for joy because this girl with some guy made some bad and sinful choices. I think because as prolife people, we don’t want to see someone in this situation have an abortion. But I think we go the other extreme in support for kids in this situation and that support ends up (unintentionally) signaling that having a baby at 16 is ok and even keeping that baby to raise instead of adoption is ok too. We need a balance here. Yes, people make mistakes that result in babies,but the answer to the baby is not trying to keep and raise it at 16 but make an adoption plan and grow up. There is little to none support for adoptions in these situations.
 
The unmarried teenaged daughter of a distant friend just had a baby. She’s 16, the dad is 14 or 15.

Part of me feels the ‘acceptable’ thing to do would be to send well wishes (on Facebook.)

Yet I’m not comfortable doing that. A big part of me thinks we ought not celebrate the same way we would if a new baby is welcomed into a loving, stable, MARRIED family.

Am I looking at this the wrong way? I certainly hope for their good health, and don’t want to put ‘the sin of the father on the head of the son,’ but I can’t do a “group hug” and pretend this is a blessed event.
🤷😊
I think you are looking at it the right way. Things posted on Face Book IMO just tend to go down the secular road so I would avoid that. And if this is a distant friend, posting it on face book makes it look like she is a close friend

Now IMO congratulating the mother is about the mother and has little to do with the baby. I have no idea who congratulated my mom and who didn’t but I do remember being a kid and which adults were good to me.

In other words, YES, God has a plan for this child and we should be good to the baby. That means making comments like ‘I hope the baby is healthy’, it means if the mom is struggling financially buying food and warm clothes for the baby if you can afford it.

Sadly, sin has consequences. IMO unwed mothers (regardless of age) can not expect the baby shower a married mom gets. However, never should any degrading remarks or looks be given to the mom. No one knows whether she confessed and repented and frankly it is no ones business but hers. This new mom should be treated with the same respect she was given before becoming pregnant. She just can not expect the extras like a baby shower

Angie
 
I don’t think OP was thinking about giving nasty comments to this girl, I think that considering the age and the circumstances that she felt uncomfortable in sending hugs and well wishes. That doesn’t mean that Op or anyone else wishes ill will towards the situation. Sadly, a 16 year old shouldn’t be having babies and she should do the mature thing and place the baby in adoption to a loving home with 2 parents (male and female).
In reality, young moms like this really don’t end up raising a baby, the child get pawned off on the grandma or other family members. I am sure because all life come from God that God does have a wonderful plan for this baby but even with that doesn’t mean everyone should be jumping for joy because this girl with some guy made some bad and sinful choices. I think because as prolife people, we don’t want to see someone in this situation have an abortion. But I think we go the other extreme in support for kids in this situation and that support ends up (unintentionally) signaling that having a baby at 16 is ok and even keeping that baby to raise instead of adoption is ok too. We need a balance here. Yes, people make mistakes that result in babies,but the answer to the baby is not trying to keep and raise it at 16 but make an adoption plan and grow up. There is little to none support for adoptions in these situations.
I’m kind of shocked that everyone’s so unanimous that it’s wrong for the child to be raised by its biological mother. Relinquishing a baby for adoption would be INCREDIBLY hard and I hear it leaves a lifelong wound. Meanwhile the child would wonder, “Did my birth mother not love me? Is that why she gave me up?”

Adoption can be great. But it isn’t by any means the only way. And since there is support from the girl’s parents, the baby might do very well.
 
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