Outrage in France as Macron tries to reach out to Catholic Church

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SuperLuigi said:
Secularists, feminists and a lot of other post modern “ists” see Islam as an ally to destroy the bedrock of Western civilization, which is the straight white working Christian male.
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I agree with this, that’s why my beef is much more with these crazed people than decent religious Muslims.

These people are the ones who have a visceral hatred of Christianity, traditional family and western culture, and hope Islam can help them in the destruction of that [as problematic as that would be for themselves in the future, where they would probably look for something else to help them in the destruction of Islam].
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This is unfair. I never claimed any “special moral authority.”
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I don’t think he meant this comment to you. I think it was a reply to somebody else who said he should be listening to your advice, as you probably know more about it because you live in France.

Of course your advice from your experiences in France is very useful, but I think he felt like somebody was telling him he doesn’t know about the issue well because he doesn’t live there like you.
 
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This is simply not true. France prioritizes secularism at the expense of any kind of religious practice. France's Burqa Ban Adds To Anti-Muslim Climate : NPR
President Nicolas Sarkozy says the veils are an assault on French values of secularism and equality of the sexes, and now they can no longer be worn in public.
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You can’t have things like men and women refusing to shake each other’s hands, and separate hours for boys and girls at the public swimming pool, he says. That’s just not France.
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That doesn’t sound privileged to me.

Religious freedom affects and benefits everybody - Catholics, atheists, everybody.
 
I think we’ve got some common ground here.

Too bad Fillon didn’t win though.
 
I’ll take the high road here and apologize to UpUp. That wasn’t a good look for me in hindsight.
 
Thanks for sharing, but the Sarkozy era was pretty different in terms of the culture. I did forget about the burqa ban, though, so thanks for bringing that to my attention.
 
SuperLuigi said:
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Emmanuel Macron is of the En Marche movement which is not a party but is politically central.
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Yeah, that was the selling point that I didn’t buy into.
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You mean that he is not in a party? One day after Macron was elected President, May 8, 2017, La République en Marche was transformed into a formal political party. I stand corrected.
 
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Well, I wasn’t calling you out and it was a political move that was designed to confuse your average low-information voter.

It was all by design.
 
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