Outsourcing Jesus from your life

[Here-I-am-Lord]

Catholic faith is an Abrahamic religion, but it is Jesus who shines forward and not an Ancient, mysterious partiarch of a different religion! In New Evangelization one cannot evangelize for Abraham, one should evangelize for Jesus!

Wow! I would not understand this if I would not know where are you coming from. I read the 2016 interview with Bishop Athanasius Schneider in Rorare Caeli. Would he be right in what he says?

RORATE CÆLI

I wish I could have taken my whole group with me to the Adoration Chapel, but they did not want to come.

The spiritual dimension of this rejection, if I understand correctly, is that the Holy Eucharist is not considered to be the source of graces of the Blessed Sacrament. This looks confusing because it is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ either in mass or in the adoration chapel! I mean it is the same thing, the mystery of faith!

You have to distance yourself from the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ so that you can dismiss the holy hour of adoration as unnecessary act of piety. This is spiritually unsound! How can you distance yourself from the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ and still believe in the Holy Eucharist as transubstantiation?

 

[curious_cath]

I read the 2016 interview with Bishop Athanasius Schneider in Rorare Caeli. Would he be right in what he says?

If you talk about the interview where he calls New Evangelization efforts Jewish and Protestant, then I disagree. Although Protestants worked out some techniques of efficient evangelization and Catholic efforts may borrow some of their techiniques, it cannot be said that it is Protestant in nature.

The same way, using some symbolism from Judaism in Catholic context is not necessarily Jewish. However, I feel strongly, especially now after my experience, that Jesus should always remain the center of the communicated spiritual content. If New Evangelization promotes the Savior’s spirituality without compromises, then its Catholic character will shine forth in the coming decades.

it is the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ either in mass or in the adoration chapel! I mean it is the same thing, the mystery of faith!

The greatest mystery possible to think of! I look at this mystery with a never-ending fascination. This mystery is always new and fresh if we just look at it with the eye of faith.

How can you distance yourself from the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ and still believe in the Holy Eucharist as transubstantiation?

This would be impossible if we follow the spirit of truth. I don’t know any church group that would outright deny transubstantiation. If they are willing to follow the implications of such a basic church teaching and honor Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament, well this is a different question.

 

[Here-I-am-Lord]

If New Evangelization promotes the Savior’s spirituality without compromises, then its Catholic character will shine forth in the coming decades.

Would it be true for your church group, as well? Then why are you leaving them?

I don’t know any church group that would outright deny transubstantiation. If they are willing to follow the implications of such a basic church teaching and honor Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament, well this is a different question.

Hmm. How is this a different question, dear curious_cath? Do you mean some church groups, although do not outright deny transubstantiation, in reality they don’t believe that the Blessed Sacrament is the real Body and Blood of Jesus? Would not this be a spiritual deviation from the Mother Church? How to know for sure if they believe in transubstantiation or not?

 

[curious_cath]

Would it be true for your church group, as well? Then why are you leaving them?

New Evangelization is a great idea. But it can be done in a spiritually correct and in a spiritually incorrect way. The question is which way is taken by a promoted church organization… If Jesus is being outsourced then it cannot be spiritually correct! The same way, if a movement outsources itself from the church proper, then its spirituality cannot be that of the church!

The same goes with power. If uneducated lay people are given tremendous power over communities in the name of some dubious “charism” then we should not be surprised that this power turns into a self-serving entity of insane heresy breaking the community away from the church, thus fragmenting the Body of Christ beyond recognition! The Catholic Church has a grave duty to interfere, correct and reign in over the irregularities. It also has to restore Jesus as the center of spiritual life.

Do you mean some church groups, although do not outright deny transubstantiation, in reality they don’t believe that the Blessed Sacrament is the real Body and Blood of Jesus?

It is impossible to say for sure. But as soon as the person of Jesus is pushed behind some “charismatic leader” and His authority is claimed by a militarized army of so-called “catechists”, then you know that transubstantiation is anything for these people but not a reality of faith.

 

[Here-I-am-Lord]

if a movement outsources itself from the church proper, then its spirituality cannot be that of the church!

I see. So, is your church group more like a splinter group than a genuinely Catholic group with Jesus at its spiritual center?

If uneducated lay people are given tremendous power over communities in the name of some dubious “charism” then we should not be surprised that this power turns into a self-serving entity of insane heresy breaking the community away from the church, thus fragmenting the Body of Christ beyond recognition!

Wow, these are harsh words, dear curious_cath! But I understand your sentiment. You speak out of your spiritual experience in a proto-Catholic “New Evangelization” movement that disappointed you, because you felt Jesus was “outsourced” from your life.

as soon as the person of Jesus is pushed behind some “charismatic leader” and His authority is claimed by a militarized army of so-called “catechists”, then you know that transubstantiation is anything for these people but not a reality of faith.

“a militarized army of so-called “catechists””?? Gosh, are you serious? I only know one church movement with this kind of structure! If they claim that kind of power for themselves, then I surely agree with you that the church urgently has to reestablish church authority in your movement and reign over its catechists! The power of Jesus belongs to the Catholic Church and should not be usurped or outsourced.