Over coming jealousy and pride

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Yesterday, someone at work got good news. (the details aren’t important). I was immediately jealous and felt less than because it was something I would love to have happen to me.

After hearing this guy’s good news, I spent the rest of the day alternating between thinking uncharitable thoughts such as ‘It isn’t as good as he is making it out to be’ and ‘Just wait he will fail’ To praying ‘God help me see it through Your eyes’. and praying ‘God help me to hear and see the good you give me and follow Your will for me’

I must admit, it was exhausting to keep going through the motions and praying what I though would be best but totally went against what I wanted. (Which was to scream and cry this is not fair)

It all boils down to the sin of jealousy and pride.

Can others share how they try to overcome this?

Angie
 
Yesterday, someone at work got good news. (the details aren’t important). I was immediately jealous and felt less than because it was something I would love to have happen to me.

After hearing this guy’s good news, I spent the rest of the day alternating between thinking uncharitable thoughts such as ‘It isn’t as good as he is making it out to be’ and ‘Just wait he will fail’ To praying ‘God help me see it through Your eyes’. and praying ‘God help me to hear and see the good you give me and follow Your will for me’

I must admit, it was exhausting to keep going through the motions and praying what I though would be best but totally went against what I wanted. (Which was to scream and cry this is not fair)

It all boils down to the sin of jealousy and pride.

Can others share how they try to overcome this?

Angie
You might start by thinking about the words of Paul in 1 Cor 12:21-25
The eye cannot say to the hand, “I do not need you,” nor again the head to the feet, “I do not need you.” Indeed, the parts of the body that seem to be weaker are all the more necessary, and those parts of the body that we consider less honorable we surround with greater honor, and our less presentable parts are treated with greater propriety, whereas our more presentable parts do not need this. But God has so constructed the body as to give greater honor to a part that is without it, so that there may be no division in the body, but that the parts may have the same concern for one another.

So this tells me that my goal should be to rejoice because another part of the Body of Christ (the mystical one that doesn’t require the other person to be Catholic) is rejoicing. How to be happy. So we can apply this against the jealousy, although for the moment “how to do that” is a question.

For pride, look to the passage and see how those who are less honorable get treated with special honor in the Body of Christ? Maybe that person is “less than” you, and needed the special honor. So that honor does not mean you are “less than” but that the other person was to receive it.

Also consider the parable of the workers that started all different times of day. Did you feel that somebody “owed” you the surprise, or that it was “your turn” for such a good thing to happen – and the other person receiving the surprise means you received less than you expected, or is it more that they got something they didn’t earn?

MS
 
We’re all susceptible to these vices, Envy, Pride, Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth and Wrath. The only way to overcome them with the Grace of God and cultivating the counter virtues of Kindness, Humility, Chastity, Temperance, Charity, Diligence and Patience.
 
I also have envious and prideful thoughts at work. It seems to stem from insecurity (Will I be deemed less competent than this and this person? Will my work ever be productive? etc)

I try to think that whatever happens, God allowed it to happen. Harboring bad thoughts disturbs peace and doesn’t allow God to work within us. It takes us away from God, and towards satan, who probably smiles every time we willingly harbor bad sentiments and allow them to grow into a fire we cannot easily control.

Normally, I’m cynical and pessimistic towards myself and others, but it helps to talk to the other person whom you have negative feelings towards. Pray to God that you don’t want these thoughts and feelings, and I’m paositive He will help you to slowly dissolve thoughts of envy and pride.
 
Normally, I’m cynical and pessimistic towards myself and others, but it helps to talk to the other person whom you have negative feelings towards. Pray to God that you don’t want these thoughts and feelings, and I’m paositive He will help you to slowly dissolve thoughts of envy and pride.
I think that’s really an awesome approach you are taking. Do you ever give them compliments on the things you see them doing well? Like if there is a situation where it’s not awkward or contrived, of course. I would only do it if I really were sincere about wanting them to know I noticed their work, because I’m pretty transparent and if I were still cynical I probably couldn’t pull it off. 🤷

MS
 
I think that’s really an awesome approach you are taking. Do you ever give them compliments on the things you see them doing well? Like if there is a situation where it’s not awkward or contrived, of course. I would only do it if I really were sincere about wanting them to know I noticed their work, because I’m pretty transparent and if I were still cynical I probably couldn’t pull it off. 🤷

MS
Unfortunately, I’m still at the lower stage — I can’t sincerely give a compliment (even though I know they deserve it) due to much pride. (It’s so shameful of me, because my coworker who is not Christian freely gives compliments and praises others.) But I still talk to them about everyday things — just talking seems to ease negativity and makes them a person, not a thing to be jealous of.

Added to that, I have this terrible habit of judging someone’s intent and always being suspicious of their motives. It doesn’t help with spiritual growth, and I can attest, it doesn’t help with earthly vocation and dealing with coworkers.

I think at least when we pray to God, we show that we want to change and God only desires our best, so certainly He would help to “defuse” the negativity in our hearts.
 
Unfortunately, I’m still at the lower stage — I can’t sincerely give a compliment (even though I know they deserve it) due to much pride. (It’s so shameful of me, because my coworker who is not Christian freely gives compliments and praises others.) But I still talk to them about everyday things — just talking seems to ease negativity and makes them a person, not a thing to be jealous of.
It’s good that you do interact with them about everyday things, then, I would think.
Added to that, I have this terrible habit of judging someone’s intent and always being suspicious of their motives. It doesn’t help with spiritual growth, and I can attest, it doesn’t help with earthly vocation and dealing with coworkers.
I think our minds are “wired” to react more quickly to a possible threat, than to a good experience. Plus as soon as something negative happens, our minds like “freeze it” in implicit memory so it can be processed and used for fear later. Good things tend to just make us happy for the moment, then go away. Unless we stop during good moments and kind of “burn them in” by thinking about how good it is for a few seconds, or I think being grateful to God and others – and self even at times – can do that too. That reprograms your mind from its fear-based thinking to more relaxed handling of the situation. I was just reading about that from a science perspective from a book called “Hardwiring Happiness.” I’m in chapter 5; it’s talking about how bad moments are like Velcro, and good ones are like Teflon. So that’s why a little extra effort during the “good ones” can change it for good. 🙂
I think at least when we pray to God, we show that we want to change and God only desires our best, so certainly He would help to “defuse” the negativity in our hearts.
Yes, I’m all with you. If we are open to His correction and let the Divine Therapist (the Holy Spirit) come into us, He can heal any psychological wounds IMO.
 
Yesterday, someone at work got good news. (the details aren’t important). I was immediately jealous and felt less than because it was something I would love to have happen to me.

After hearing this guy’s good news, I spent the rest of the day alternating between thinking uncharitable thoughts such as ‘It isn’t as good as he is making it out to be’ and ‘Just wait he will fail’ To praying ‘God help me see it through Your eyes’. and praying ‘God help me to hear and see the good you give me and follow Your will for me’

I must admit, it was exhausting to keep going through the motions and praying what I though would be best but totally went against what I wanted. (Which was to scream and cry this is not fair)

It all boils down to the sin of jealousy and pride.

Can others share how they try to overcome this?

Angie
Basically everyone, due to concupiscence, wrestles with the issue of pride in one form or another. We’re all in that same boat.

I know I’ve had envy, as well, and once went online to see what to do about it. This is just link, but there are many others.

It doesn’t seem to be the same Wikihow link, though, but it will also work.
wikihow.com/Handle-Jealousy

The link I saw said to compliment the people we are envious of.

Also, I know some on CAF have envied people, said their lives seem “perfect”. I used to work as an interpreter in mental health. Some people can seem, on the outside, that they have it all together, but you would be surprised about people who can smile, act happy and then the next minute be crying, needing medication for depression.

It’s easy to think other people have easier lives, but I’ve learned people each generally have difficulties in different areas.

My life is hard in some ways, because I have a disability. However, even so, I know some people, even on the forum, probably have it much harder than I do, truth be told.

People often won’t tell you their problems. If one has a husband who is cheating, will she tell you, probably not. She might smile, carry on, and you could think all the while she has the perfect life.

After seeing some other people’s lives, my problems also actually seemed almost small by comparison.

Oh, and if one has a problem with envy, be careful of FaceBook. FaceBook, especially, has been shown to seemingly increase whatever envy we already have. Well, people put up these smiling pictures, seem to have hundreds of “friends”. We can feel like they have better lives, easier, happier, want to envy them.

Insofar as pridefulness goes, humility is one thing.

I’ve found people who have difficulties with pridefulness often won’t say “I made a mistake”, “I’m sorry”, or “I don’t know”.

Since we’re human, we should be saying all 3 of these. No one expects us to be perfect. We should ALL be saying these 3 things from time to time. If not, we are probably coming across to others even as arrogant.

Think of pridefulness this way. Have you ever been on the receiving end of pridefulness? I’ve had some supervisors who would not, on pain of death, admit to a mistake. It was ALWAYS someone else’s fault, and they never even played a part in this.

Normally, when we have problems in relationships, be it marriages right on down, we are both to blame, at least in part. It could even be, say, 60% to 40%, but a lot of us, especially in relationship difficulties want to say the spouse is 100% responsible and us, zero.

No, as one supervisor used to say, “There are no angels”.

Now, all I am saying is to step back, try to be more objective. When we are on the receiving end of it, when someone can’t admit to a mistake, can’t even apologize, can’t admit to not knowing something, it’s hard on everyone around.

It’s much easier to work with, have a relationship with, a person who has some humility.

The antidote to pride is humilty. That’s the virtue we all need to develop. Now, we don’t need to get down on hand and knees and grovel, but when we make a mistake, realize that, we need to own up to it.

It is NOT a sign of weakness but a sign of strength. It’s a sign of confidence, maturity, responsibility.

Oh, and one last thing, recall even Peter, the earthly head of the Church, was once even corrected by Paul! Now, Peter was very humble. In all humility, he realized his error, accepted correction. This takes GREAT humility. Further, Christ corrected him who knows how many times, and Peter accepted it.

We need to be humble.

As to envy, there will always be people around better and worse, and it’s probably best to stop comparing ourselves to others. If we absolutely need to compare, compare with ourselves…before and after, and strive to become better people.
 
Harboring bad thoughts disturbs peace and doesn’t allow God to work within us…
I totally agree. That is why I am asking for suggestions on not to harbor the thoughts

It takes us away from God, and towards satan, who probably smiles every time we willingly harbor bad sentiments and allow them to grow into a fire we cannot easily control.
but it helps to talk to the other person whom you have negative feelings towards. .
I think this would be a bad idea. How can I walk up to someone and say 'I know you have good news and I just wanted to tell you about how jealous it is making me:rolleyes: I think that would just cause unnecessary tension
 
I think this would be a bad idea. How can I walk up to someone and say 'I know you have good news and I just wanted to tell you about how jealous it is making me:rolleyes: I think that would just cause unnecessary tension
You don’t have to talk about the particular good news s/he received. If this person is someone you’ve talked to before, it can be about anything random — TV show, some current world news, etc.
 
You don’t have to talk about the particular good news s/he received. If this person is someone you’ve talked to before, it can be about anything random — TV show, some current world news, etc.
Ok, that makes more sense:)
 
What you have described is very common in the workplace. I have frequently observed those reactions in many people, and I have concluded it’s simply human nature.

My workplace happens to be what I call a ‘bucket of crabs.’ There are many people involved in doing similar work. Whenever someone is promoted along, there is much envy and dismay muttered by those who don’t ‘move up’. Like a bunch of crabs in a bucket, when you pull one out, the others claw and cling to keep hold on the one moving up and out. People seem to have considerable difficulty accepting the fact that the workplace is like a pyramid, with fewer and fewer higher level opportunities available in most organizations. It is amazing how different people ascend.

Probably what you really need is to feel appreciated and held in higher regard for all you do. But that appreciation seldom occurs in the workplace. I have been passed over for promotions, and positions ‘in the limelight’ so many times it’s actually comical. After a few times you become numb to it. That said, there are people who believe in their heart of hearts that they deserve to be the top dog, or run with the big dogs, and they just can’t accept watching anyone get ahead of them. Such is the nature of people involved in group dynamics. There’s a formal organization, and an informal one.

But don’t worry, your working years won’t last forever. There will come a day when you won’t be working in that kind of arena anymore. Either by choice, or not. I learned to cope by focusing on my job, and doing it well. If others want to be big successes, that’s just fine by me. Watching so many people laid off, or kicked out over the years makes me simply appreciate the years I was able to be well employed. In old age, it doesn’t matter anymore. Every day above ground is a blessing.
 
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