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Polycarp1
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I agree there is only a greed problem.
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edwest2
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There is no overpopulation problem. Those who live in poor countries will die from easily preventable diseases or from lack of food.
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Crescentinus
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As someone who actually lives in a third-world country, I can confidently say that it’s actually true. I am downright insulted when Westerners look at poverty with very simplistic mindsets.
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Crescentinus
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I used to buy the overpopulation lie, until I took reason to my brain.
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Alberti_Devoveo
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According to Google, there are roughly 6.973 billion people on earth. According to Wikipedia, the land-area of Texas is 268,581 square miles. If the entire population of the world lived in Texas, the population density would be 25,962 people per square mile; as a comparison, the population density of Brooklyn NY is 36,356 people per square mile. That is, the entire world could fit into Texas and be less crowded than Brooklyn, it would take 9.75 billion people in Texas to match Brooklyn’s population density.
I think the issue is resources. According to FarmlandLP, it takes roughly 1 acre to feed 1 person each year (I have seen some people suggest it would be about a quarter of this value if we are not raising grazing animals like cows). Our planet has just under 8 billion acres of arable land, so we might be physically limited to that number as a total population.
Terraforming I think should be the next big thing for science.
I think the issue is resources. According to FarmlandLP, it takes roughly 1 acre to feed 1 person each year (I have seen some people suggest it would be about a quarter of this value if we are not raising grazing animals like cows). Our planet has just under 8 billion acres of arable land, so we might be physically limited to that number as a total population.
Terraforming I think should be the next big thing for science.
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shoe
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From the EWTN website:
ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?number=326309&Pg=&Pgnu=&recnu=
The Overpopulation Myth
Question from Larry on 2/4/2002:
The UN’s own website reveals that for every country on Earth the fertility levels have either stabilized or are declining. The world isn’t overpopulated, it is underdeveloped. Lots of food rots in storage because of shipping or handling problems. Lots of doctors would rather live in the city with all its amenities than in the bush where poor people live. The people pushing “overpopulation” have their own agenda, for whatever reason.
ewtn.com/vexperts/showmessage.asp?number=326309&Pg=&Pgnu=&recnu=
The Overpopulation Myth
Question from Larry on 2/4/2002:
The UN’s own website reveals that for every country on Earth the fertility levels have either stabilized or are declining. The world isn’t overpopulated, it is underdeveloped. Lots of food rots in storage because of shipping or handling problems. Lots of doctors would rather live in the city with all its amenities than in the bush where poor people live. The people pushing “overpopulation” have their own agenda, for whatever reason.
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PennyinCanada
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How is there over population problems when the birth rate in so many countries is under the replacement level? There is a greater problem of people entering their senior years and not enough workers to support them. How can both of these opposed positions be happening at the same time?
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ThinkingSapien
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I’m not sure that tells us much. The space needed to support the life of a people includes more than living space, such as space for growing , storing, and/or collecting food, disposing of waste, so on. Now if this information showed that the entire [human] population of the planet would fit in texas and there would be sufficient resources available within texas to support the the lives of its inhabitants then I personally would find this more meaningful.
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GEddie
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And how many people were alive in 1800? 250M? Less than the current USA??
Sure, we could live as they did in 1800, if we had the population of that time. But there is no way of undoing the Industrial Revolution and “going back to nature” without billions dying. For that, we are definitively overpopulated.
If there is enough energy, ocean water can be purified. Obtaining that energy will be one of the challenges.
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mymamamary
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Regardless, I highly doubt that a population that will fit into the state of Texas, would need an entire world for sewage and growing/storing food.
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SonSearcher
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We wouldn’t need a smaller population to live like we did 200 years ago. We just need to rely less on industrial practices and more on individual responsibility.
overpopulationisamyth.com/
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edwest2
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Do we need 3 TVs in every home?
The rich don’t want the poor. That’s why in Michigan, Detroit is where all the poor end up. Half of homeowners don’t pay property taxes. Corruption put a number of former city employees in jail.
Do you know what happens to a lot of food?
guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jan/10/half-world-food-waste
What is the current birth rate per 1,000 women in the world?
indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=25
Those who are past their reproductive years are increasing in number.
helpage.org/global-agewatch/about/
Peace,
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The rich don’t want the poor. That’s why in Michigan, Detroit is where all the poor end up. Half of homeowners don’t pay property taxes. Corruption put a number of former city employees in jail.
Do you know what happens to a lot of food?
guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/jan/10/half-world-food-waste
What is the current birth rate per 1,000 women in the world?
indexmundi.com/g/r.aspx?v=25
Those who are past their reproductive years are increasing in number.
helpage.org/global-agewatch/about/
Peace,
Ed
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zro_x
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I think I have a more controversial view.
Sure, population growth is slowing, but I think a big reason for that is the fact that abortion and contraception are now commonplace among developed nations.
If everyone decided to abide by the teachings of the catholic church, which is supposed to be an ideal, I think overpopulation would become a serious problem. Problems like these ought to make us ask ourselves if the Catholic imperative to be pro-life in every situation is really the best philosophy.
Sure, population growth is slowing, but I think a big reason for that is the fact that abortion and contraception are now commonplace among developed nations.
If everyone decided to abide by the teachings of the catholic church, which is supposed to be an ideal, I think overpopulation would become a serious problem. Problems like these ought to make us ask ourselves if the Catholic imperative to be pro-life in every situation is really the best philosophy.
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SonSearcher
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I like to think that God has our back all the time. He said to be fruitful and multiply and not to murder. Yes the Catholic imperative to be pro-life from conception to natural death in every situation is the best philosophy.
Plus what if all of these “choices” people are making are effectively taking the life, the person, the people who need to be born to fix these problems humanity faces. But who cares. Lets pontificate about whether over population is actually occurring and if so how we need to stop it at all costs.
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triumphguy
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There’s an over consumption problem, not an over population problem.
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vera_dicere
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Here’s an idea. How about we kill everyone over the age of 65, everyone with a chronic health issue, including mental health, all those with intellectual and physical disabilities.
Then, we should sterilise all the idiots and those without a decent education so they can’t reproduce.
And finally, only allow nice, white couples with disposable income and education to breed, but only say, one kid each. After which, they should both be sterilised.
We should also cull all the orphans and black people, and maybe nuke China, cos there’s too many asians, and they seem to be the ones breeding too much.
I also think we should give huge tax breaks and benefits to those with same sex attraction, since those people can’t breed in their relationships, they should be held up as an example to all the rest of us plebs.
But we need to destory all religious insitutitions and burn down all the Churches, since a lot of them, particuarly those back water, archaic Catholics have the gaul to encourage the “procreative” aspect.
Whilst I’m being sarcastic, its quite probable that these things will happen, in fact, a good whack of them are happenign already.
The world is NOT overpopulated, as others have said, it is population density and human greed that are the problems. I mean, really, why does a couple with one kid and one dog need a five bed room house and three cars?
Then, we should sterilise all the idiots and those without a decent education so they can’t reproduce.
And finally, only allow nice, white couples with disposable income and education to breed, but only say, one kid each. After which, they should both be sterilised.
We should also cull all the orphans and black people, and maybe nuke China, cos there’s too many asians, and they seem to be the ones breeding too much.
I also think we should give huge tax breaks and benefits to those with same sex attraction, since those people can’t breed in their relationships, they should be held up as an example to all the rest of us plebs.
But we need to destory all religious insitutitions and burn down all the Churches, since a lot of them, particuarly those back water, archaic Catholics have the gaul to encourage the “procreative” aspect.
Whilst I’m being sarcastic, its quite probable that these things will happen, in fact, a good whack of them are happenign already.
The world is NOT overpopulated, as others have said, it is population density and human greed that are the problems. I mean, really, why does a couple with one kid and one dog need a five bed room house and three cars?
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ThinkingSapien
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At present the entire earth isn’t hospitable to sustained human life. There are some places with rather extreme conditions in which people have either lived for short periods, or people live with resources imported from other parts of the world (Ex: Antarctica). So no, people don’t need to occupy the entire earth to sustain their life.
But the Texas analogy tells nothing about actual sustained needs. If you have a population concentrated in such a small space then what happens when a disease breaks out? There’s quite the opportunity for a viral disease to spread quickly and little opportunity to contain it; there’s no borders to shut down. What about fluctuations in water supply? Is there enough water in Texas to sustain the entire human population? As things stand now there are some parts of Alabama and Florida that get their water needs from Georgia (not to mention that Georgia must meet it’s own water needs).
For now if I accept the statement that the world’s human population could fit in Texas as fact that doesn’t tell me that the worlds population would be able to get sufficient resources for living in Texas. In other words, as far as I can tell this fact reveals no new information with respect to this discussion.
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zro_x
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He told Adam and Eve to be fruitful and multiply. That command doesn’t necessarily apply to us. God told Noah to build an arc, but that doesn’t mean he expects us to, as well.
or alternatively, the people who will compound the problems. Some of these lives are also prevented by the very same choices. They prevent the births of a few benevolent geniuses, but they prevent the births of just as many villians.
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triumphguy
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There’s a greed, corruption and over consumption problem, not an over-population problem.
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zro_x
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And this is a hypothetical ideal situation, not a real one.
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