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The_Bucket
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Easily the sickest burn I’ve ever seen on CAF.
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TheWarriorMonk
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If you wish to set parameters, then state so. A pattern or your posts is that you invoke parameters or ignore them as necessary to your POV.
Interesting that you are again making incorrect assumptions with no basis. I happen to be very familiar with the Hayflick effect and telomeres. So far, Hayflick is correct.
Tell you what. I’ll let you see the effects of my understanding of diet and exercise firsthand. Why don’t you come to one of the martial arts camps that I attend…non-stop hardcore training 18 hours a day for three straight days. Then you can tell me why others my age can’t do what I can do (except others that eat and work out like me, of course).
But I’m just wasting my breath of course. As with most people in such discussion, I suspect you’re all talk, no substance.
Next…gotta get ready to throw adults half my age around in class tonight.
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LittleDavid
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Very true!
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kbachler
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- I did state so after you did it the first time.
- It’s generally intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer that people desire to travel safely. That you would assume otherwise, more than once, is simply a testament that you aren’t actually interested in this discussion, you’re just interested in being argumentative.
Apparently not as familiar as you think, since you’ve got it wrong.
Good for you. Now say something relevant to the discussion instead of again beating your chest.Tell you what. I’ll let you see the effects of my understanding of diet and exercise firsthand. Why don’t you come to one of the martial arts camps that I attend…non-stop hardcore training 18 hours a day for three straight days. Then you can tell me why others my age can’t do what I can do (except others that eat and work out like me, of course).
But I’m just wasting my breath of course. As with most people in such discussion, I suspect you’re all talk, no substance.
Next…gotta get ready to throw adults half my age around in class tonight.
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TheWarriorMonk
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Yet Hayflick is correct, and you have no evidence to contrary. Continue to argue form, dismiss results, etc. The fact remains that you argument remains in the theoretical realm as it pertains to human beings. Mine doesn’t.
That is likely due to our makeup. I’m a realist; you appear to be an optimist.
Apparently not interested in health-related discussions after you challenged me on it?..eh?
Reminds me of a seminar with Dr. Gary Null I attended to years ago. He noted that he taught many workshops, seminars, etc. where people knew a lot, but didn’t really understand the big picture or put any of it into practice.
By the way, I do beat my chest, along with other parts of my body, as part of Iron Body training. If you want to know how far a body can be pushed, it makes sense to try it yourself. Same with discovering the effects of diet and exercise on the body…I used to have it checked every month, after varying diet and exercise, to see the effect it had on my cholesterol levels, triglycerides, etc…a fascinating way to discover things firsthand. Much better than relying solely on the opinions of others.
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Magickman
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Overpopulation–Balderdash!!!
Consider Bangladesh: A wonderful country of lowlying swamp, about the size of Wisconsin, but wth 150 million people.
Consider Bangladesh: A wonderful country of lowlying swamp, about the size of Wisconsin, but wth 150 million people.
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kbachler
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Was some part of that supposed to be an argument against the concept of overpopulation?
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kbachler
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As I noted, you need to read up on the topic. You’re behind.
I’m very much a realist; its part of what I’m paid to do.
No, just not interested in feeding your expansive ego at the expense of going even further off-topic.
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TheWarriorMonk
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You pushed, I answered, you complain.
It’s not ego. It’s the duty of via my lineage to educate others for the betterment of society. The reality of the situation is that few can see the big picture, and few listen to anything other than the echo of their own voices.
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manualman
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Obviously people require food and food requires agriculture. But last I checked, the USA alone has the agricultural capacity to feed the entire world if necessary. We are absurdly inefficient about how we USE those resources, however. A good analogy is forestry. Back when North America looked like a limitless forest, the lumber industry clear cut woods, cut dimension lumber from the heartwood and wasted everything else. Only about 30% of the tree by mass became finished product. But as forest became a limited commodity, the industry developed plywood, glue-lam, particle board and other products to allow the use of about 90% of the tree mass. We’re still in the absurdly wasteful agricultural practice stage because the land is so plentiful compared to demand. If we ever remotely approach overpopulation, we’d have reality impinging on our dietary whims occasionally. Instead, we can get pretty much whatever food we want whenever we want in spite of the absurdity of flying fresh seafood or locally out of season fruit across oceans to stock grocery stores. We have a LOT of room to improve the efficiency of food production, distribution and waste reduction. It isn’t done because those in the food business don’t perceive that there is sufficient scarcity to support the costs of those efficiency efforts. You’ll know REAL overpopulation exists when market conditions force adaptation in the food business. For now farmers can’t hardly pay the bills, much less make any money. Supply and demand says there’s still an excess of food production capacity.
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LittleDavid
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Please, consider the following before calling Bangladesh “A wonderful country”.
“Malnutrition has been a persistent problem for the poverty-stricken country. The World Bank estimates that Bangladesh is ranked 1st in the world of the number of children suffering from malnutrition.[134][135] In Bangladesh, 26% of the population are undernourished[136] and 46% of the children suffers from moderate to severe underweight problem.[137] 43% of children under 5 years old are stunted. One in five preschool age children are vitamin A deficient and one in two are anemic.[138] Child malnutrition in Bangladesh is among the highest in the world.”
Almost everyone taking the opinion that overpopulation is a myth is doing so from an American perspective, where THEY are. Try to think of the other person in other countries.
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manualman
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Well, yes, I suppose that’s true. Probably because the only population growth rate I directly have involvement is American, from Illinois, Chicagoland to be exact… Each of us ought to be primarily concerned with our OWN families and rather less vexed about the population growth rates elsewhere. When people try to tell ME that I’m contributing to global overpopulation (and they do, even though I have a measly THREE kids), I have a hard time not laughing at them. Especially when said “excessive” population growth rates tend to be in global regions rather darker in skin color than the stagnant populations of the USA or Europe. We all like to think of ourselves as ‘post-racial’ but a little self examination once in a while never hurts.
I can’t tell if you’re this way yourself (nor would it be my place to judge), but an awful lot of people who are “concerned about third world overpopulation” are being quite condescending and snide without realizing it. It smacks of the old “those poor savages need our help” attitude that masks what is actually arrogant control issues rather than compassion.
I learned that one the hard way once when I went to “help” with construction projects in Bolivia some time ago. Took me most of the trip to realize that most of what I knew in regards to construction was not only inapplicable there, but downright wrong in that economic environment. Turns out that local methods and thinking often have more basis in wisdom than we “first world” people often suspect.
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LittleDavid
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How do you get,“stagnant populations of the USA”? From the following stats from the U.S. Census Bureau(go to Google, type in “US population”), the population is growing, not stagnant:
1920=106.5 million
1930=123.1 "
1940=132.1 "
1950=152.3 "
1960=180.7 "
1970=205.1 "
1980=226.5 "
1990=246.8 "
2000=282.2 "
2010=309.3 "
2012=313.9 "
1920=106.5 million
1930=123.1 "
1940=132.1 "
1950=152.3 "
1960=180.7 "
1970=205.1 "
1980=226.5 "
1990=246.8 "
2000=282.2 "
2010=309.3 "
2012=313.9 "
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Joie_de_Vivre
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we wouldn’t, mostly due to people living longer.
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Rau
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True, but that effect does not endure. Eventually the low birth rate dominates. See Japan.
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LittleDavid
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Inflow of New Legal Permanent Residents, 2012
Country:
Mexico 146,406
Source: US Department of Homeland Security, Office of Immigration Statistics[63]
Population of US in 2011 was 311.6 million
Pop. of US in 2012 was 313.9 million…2.3 million gain, only 146,406 from Mexico. Buy the way are you gonna tell us that Mexico’s population is declining because of immigration to the US?? Please, look it up…guess what, it’s NOT declining EITHER.(again, Google search, “population of Mexico”)
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new_atheist
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When I was doing medical missions in this Southeast Asian country (I won’t divulge the name), I saw with my own eyes the misery of the poor people living in these shanty towns (their houses made up of corrugated steel sheets and pieces of wood boards plastered together to make a dwelling). The average number of children per women of child-bearing age was approximately 7-10. Their partners/husbands were only working casual or doing part-time work. I’ve seen a very young mother (she was 15 years old) pregnant for the first time. These families had to share a meal (fit for an average of 2 people only) with their large brood. Most of these children are not in school and a lot suffer from malnutrition and chronic illnesses. Some of them are abandoned by their parents (who are also busy taking care of the rest of their siblings). The village official told me that a lot of them end up begging in the streets or committing petty crimes. Child and spousal abuse was rampant and so was violence and crime in these depressed areas. We were educating them about sanitation and disease prevention including contraception and responsible parenthood (except that a village elder told us to be careful about what we tell these people especially regarding contraception). Just wanted to share my thoughts.
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_Abyssinia
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What contraception did you and/or others educate people about? What is the cost of that contraception? Money spent on contraception could be put into education, or health care.
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_Abyssinia
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What contraception did you and/or others educate people about? What is the cost of that contraception? Money spent on contraception could be put into education, or health care
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