PA TV Blaims Jews and Americans for Tsunami

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“[T]he Jews are a cancer that spreads inside the body of the Islamic and Arab nation… They invest in the East Asian countries, which were destroyed [by the Tsunami] because of the Jewish and American corruption and destruction."

Palestinian Media Watch has more.
 
I found this at www.thelutheran.org
"An act of kindness by a Lutheran Palestinian couple enabled an Israeli couple to reach home after the Dec. 26 tsunami, which left almost 150,000 people dead and thousands more injured, hit southeast Asia just after Christmas. Sally and Sami Khoury, both 29, and Yossi and Inbar Gross, both 30, found themselves stranded together on their hotel roof in the resort area of Phuket, Thailand, but the Grosses lost their passports as well as money in the tsunami. The two couples stuck together until they reached the airport the next day.

“I didn’t even think of them as being Israelis. My first instinct was to do the humane thing, to help them,” said Sami Khoury, from East Jerusalem, who gave the Grosses money to buy airplane tickets. “I can see the interest in a Palestinian helping an Israeli, but the thought didn’t even cross our minds at the time,” he said."

You know Gilliam the world is a lot more complex than a cowboy movie.
***It always pleased the Master to hear people recognize their ignorance.
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 "Wisdom tends to grow in proportion ***   
***to one's awareness of one's ignorance,"
 he claimed.
 
 When asked for an explanation, he said, ***   
***"When you come to see you are not as wise today ***   
***as you thought you were yesterday,

*** you are wiser today."***
 
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Matt25:
I]It always pleased the Master to hear people recognize their ignorance.
Code:
 "Wisdom tends to grow in proportion
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***to one's awareness of one's ignorance,"
 he claimed.
 
 When asked for an explanation, he said, ***   
***"When you come to see you are not as wise today ***   
***as you thought you were yesterday,

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***                                      you are wiser today."***
And what “master” would this be?
 
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HagiaSophia:
And what “master” would this be?
The quote comes from One Minute Wisdom by Anthony deMello who was a Jesuit priest-***The Master in these tales is not a single person. He is a Hindu Guru, a Zen Roshi, *** ***a Taoist Sage, a Jewish Rabbi, a Christian Monk, a Sufi Mystic. He is Lao-tzu and *** ***Socrates; Buddha and Jesus; Zarathustra and Mohammed. His teaching is found in *** ***the seventh century B.C. and the twentieth century A.D. His wisdom belongs to *** East and West alike. Do his historical antecedents really matter? History, after all,is the record of appearances, not Reality; of doctrines, not of Silence.

In 1998 the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a notification advising the faithful to approach Father deMello’s writings with caution but not condemning them-
The writings of the Indian Jesuit priest, Father Anthony de Mello (1931-1987) have circulated extensively in many countries of the world and among people of widely different backgrounds. In these works, which often take the form of short anecdotes presented in an accessible and easy-to-read style, Father de Mello collected elements of eastern wisdom which can be helpful in achieving self-control, in breaking the attachments and affections that keep us from being truly free, in avoiding selfishness, in facing life's difficulties with serenity without letting ourselves be affected by the world around us, while at the same time being aware of its riches. It is important to indicate these positive features which can be found in many of Father de Mello's writings. Particularly in the works dating from his early years as a retreat director, while revealing the influence of Buddhist and Taoist spiritual currents, Father de Mello remained in many respects within the boundaries of Christian spirituality. He speaks of waiting in silence and prayer for the coming of the Spirit, pure gift of the Father (Contact With God: Retreat Conferences, 3-7). He gives a very good presentation of the prayer of Jesus and of the prayer that Jesus teaches us, taking the Our Father as his basis (ibid., 42-44). He also speaks of faith, repentance and contemplation of the mysteries of Christ's life according to the method of Saint Ignatius. In his work Sadhana: A Way to God, published for the first time in 1978, Jesus occupies a central place, particularly in the last part ("Devotion," 99-134). He speaks of the prayer of petition and intercession as taught by Jesus in the Gospel, of the prayer of praise and of invocation of the name of Jesus. His book is dedicated to the Blessed Virgin Mary, a model of contemplation (ibid., 4-5).But already in this work he develops his theory of contemplation as awareness, which seems to be not lacking in ambiguity....
 

You know Gilliam the world is a lot more complex than a cowboy movie.​

I love these “civil” insults. Gilliam’s posts are not of a “cowboy” mentality. Fortunately, Gilliam can be civil can you?
 
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Matt25:
The quote comes from One Minute Wisdom by Anthony deMello who was a Jesuit priest-***The Master in these tales is not a single person. He is a Hindu Guru, a Zen Roshi, ***a Taoist Sage, a Jewish Rabbi, a Christian Monk…
The designation ‘christian monk’ is not a designation of being a master of anything. The person who wrote this knows nothing of Christian monasticism.
 
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Matt25:
. Do his historical antecedents really matter? History, after all,is the record of appearances, not Reality; of doctrines, not of Silence.
This kind of non-sense is one of the reasons many in the Church take the De Mello’s being critcized far more seriously than you do apparently. And I further suggest that a reference to Christ which concludes : that history is the record of appearances and not of reality has a real problem with being a “Catholic” one. And yes historical antecedents really do matter.
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Matt25:
.But already in this work he develops his theory of contemplation as awareness, which seems to be not lacking in ambiguity…
Kind of a polite way of saying he doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
 
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gilliam:
The designation ‘christian monk’ is not a designation of being a master of anything. The person who wrote this knows nothing of Christian monasticism.
More of the pious twaddle of trying to pretend that the eastern religions can be merged posing as “another view of Christianity”.
 
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HagiaSophia:
This kind of non-sense is one of the reasons many in the Church take the De Mello’s being critcized far more seriously than you do apparently…
If I didn’t take the view of the church seriously I would not have posted the quote from the CDF in the fist place.

I find it significant that no one has actually addressed the main substance of my initial posting ie
  1. Palestinians are not monsters all of whom who hate Jew’s and
  2. ***It always pleased the Master to hear people recognize their ignorance.

    “Wisdom tends to grow in proportion ***
    ***to one’s awareness of one’s ignorance,”
    he claimed.

    When asked for an explanation, he said, ***
    ***“When you come to see you are not as wise today ***
    ***as you thought you were yesterday, ***
    ***you are wiser today.”

I think perhaps-
*** There were rules in the monastery, but the Master always warned against the tyranny of the
law.

“Obedience keeps the rules,” he would say. “Love knows when to break them.”

 
I agree that all Palestinians are not monsters who hate Jews. Probably most of them would like to live peacefullyday-to-day like the rest of us. Unfortunately, they haven’t been served well by their leadership. I don’t think Gilliam has said anything bigoted about Palestinians unlike a certain other poster who not only disagreed with Israeli policy but who constantly posted anti-Semitic remarks.
 
Matt25,the devil also played a part in rule breaking,read the story of the fall.Are you quoting the ascended masters of wisdom?That is that group that listen to Benjamin Creme and all those misguided people who think satan wasn’t really bad just a neccesary evil to contrast the light.The maeytrea malarky?Please run as far as you can from that mess it is a deception.God Bless
 
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Matt25:
If I didn’t take the view of the church seriously I would not have posted the quote from the CDF in the first place.
If you really took the CDF statement seriously, you wouldn’t be quoting and promoting this stuff on a Catholic board

I felt you included the CDF statement because you knew that the minute you mentioned the De Mello name, you would raise red flags among Catholics on the board.
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Matt25:
I find it significant that no one has actually addressed the main substance of my initial posting ie
  1. Palestinians are not monsters all of whom who hate Jew’s and
Since no one has said that but yourself, I assume it is your straw man and you can wrestle with it as you will.
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Matt25:
  1. It always pleased the Master to hear people recognize their ignorance.
The Master I serve is not some god among other gods of pagan, and pantheistic groupings. So the master you try to group Jesus as a part of or a membership with is neither real, nor a Catholic one, and thus frankly, I’m not interested in this “collective group of sayings” totally man made and compiled .

And in all candor after reading your postings, I understand now precisely why the CDF was so concerned as to issue the warning and ask Bishops to revoke the De Mello books.
 
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Matt25:
If I didn’t take the view of the church seriously I would not have posted the quote from the CDF in the fist place.

I find it significant that no one has actually addressed the main substance of my initial posting ie
  1. Palestinians are not monsters all of whom who hate Jew’s and
No, I don’t think many individual Palestinians are monsters who hate Jews. Some do and some don’t. Fatah wants Israel to be distroyed though. To quote their present constitution:

Article (12) Complete liberation of Palestine, and eradication of Zionist economic, political, military and cultural existence.
fateh.net/e_public/constitution.htm#Goals

So something needs to change.
It always pleased the Master to hear people recognize their ignorance.

***"Wisdom tends to grow in proportion ***
to one’s awareness of one’s ignorance,"
he claimed.

***When asked for an explanation, he said, ***

***"When you come to see you are not as wise today ***
***as you thought you were yesterday, ***
you are wiser today."
I think perhaps-
There were rules in the monastery, but the Master always warned against the tyranny of the
law.

"Obedience keeps the rules," he would say. "Love knows when to break them."
My guess was this man was not a Catholic monk. Come to find out he was a Jesuit priest . Why is he talking about a monestary, something he would know little, if anything, about?
 
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Matt25:
In 1998 the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith issued a notification advising the faithful to approach Father deMello’s writings with caution but not condemning them-
You missed some points:

But already in certain passages in these early works and to a greater degree in his later publications, one notices a progressive distancing from the essential contents of the Christian faith.** In place of the revelation which has come in the person of Jesus Christ, he substitutes an intuition of God without form or image, to the point of speaking of God as a pure void**. To see God it is enough to look directly at the world. Nothing can be said about God; the only knowing is unknowing. To pose the question of his existence is already nonsense. This radical apophaticism leads even to a denial that the Bible contains valid statements about God. The words of Scripture are indications which serve only to lead a person to silence. In other passages, the judgment on sacred religious texts, not excluding the Bible, becomes even more severe: they are said to prevent people from following their own common sense and cause them to become obtuse and cruel. Religions, including Christianity, are one of the major obstacles to the discovery of truth. This truth, however, is never defined by the author in its precise contents. For him, to think that the God of one’s own religion is the only one is simply fanaticism. “God” is considered as a cosmic reality, vague and omnipresent; the personal nature of God is ignored and in practice denied.

Father de Mello demonstrates an appreciation for Jesus, of whom he declares himself to be a “disciple.” But he considers Jesus as a master alongside others. The only difference from other men is that Jesus is “awake” and fully free, while others are not. Jesus is not recognized as the Son of God, but simply as the one who teaches us that all people are children of God. In addition, the author’s statements on the final destiny of man give rise to perplexity. At one point, he speaks of a “dissolving” into the impersonal God, as salt dissolves in water.** On various occasions, the question of destiny after death is declared to be irrelevant; only the present life should be of interest. With respect to this life, since evil is simply ignorance, there are no objective rules of morality. Good and evil are simply mental evaluations imposed upon reality.**

Consistent with what has been presented, one can understand how, according to the author, any belief or profession of faith whether in God or in Christ cannot but impede one’s personal access to truth. The Church, making the word of God in Holy Scripture into an idol, has ended up banishing God from the temple. She has consequently lost the authority to teach in the name of Christ.

With the present Notification, in order to protect the good of the Christian faithful, this Congregation declares that the above-mentioned positions are incompatible with the Catholic faith and can cause grave harm.

Ref:

ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFDEMEL.HTM

In other words: the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith acknowledged that there is good in some of his works (the need for contemplation and meditation, universal call to holiness) there is also much that is not compatible with Christianity. They were particularly concerned with his view of God (impersonal, similar to a force), Jesus (one among many teachers), and our ultimate destiny at the end of our life. They strongly cautioned Catholics about his writings.
 
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Lisa4Catholics:
Matt25,the devil also played a part in rule breaking,read the story of the fall.
I think Jesus also played a part in rule breaking did he not?
 
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