Padre Pio and the torments he received from demons while living

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I recently read a short 50 page pamplet about Padre Pio regarding his life as a Confessor, Stigmatist, and Priest. I also read certain revelations regarding his run-ins with demons. Allegedly, it was stated that he was beaten viciously and tormented throughout his life as a priest by demons. Padre Pio was not only able to phsically view demons but was actually able to have extremely horrible experiences with them. As a man who lived a saintly life and experienced the stigmata on a daily basis, I was not surprised to learn that he also had a “porthole” into the spiritual world by having intimate contact with Jesus, angels, etc., but also with demons. My confusion is this–why would Jesus allow Padre Pio to be actually physically harmed by demons? What purpose would it serve? Sure, I imagine Jesus allowed such suffering to be redemptive. However, this form of suffering appears to be over and beyond what anyone should or could bear. It seems like a cruel form of punishment for a man who lived a saintly life…thoughts please.
 
This may or may not help. I suffered from PTSD with reactive psychosis after a severe trauma about 5 years ago. The psychosis was terrible: I saw angels and demons, cities on fire in hellish dominions, and other ghastly sights. The Lord allowed a demon to come right up to me (but not touch me). The demon snarled into my face as it announced it’s name.
Psychosis is one answer, but the reality of those visions and encounters are burned into my memory. Far from distracting me from the love of God, the encounters (while terrifying at the time) served to draw me closer into His embrace. I received special graces during this time and a peace and comfort that I cannot now explain.
I am thankful that Jesus did not allow me to be physically touched. Again, it may have been the psychosis rather than actual visions.
Padre Pio obviously had to undergo great suffering to achieve the miracles he was capable of performing.
 
It’s extremely rare that God allows such attacks. What Musician says is true:
  • Far from distracting me from the love of God, the encounters (while terrifying at the time) served to draw me closer into His embrace.*
God allows these things sometimes, but only for the greater good by increasing our love and appreciation for him. If the devil could, he’d attack much more frequently. Like loins at a feeding frenzy, demons can’t resist causing pain and suffering, even if it means allowing the soul a revelation of the real dangers of hell. They lack the self control to hide themselves, even when it’s wise and to the benefit of their own evil intentions.

Another reason God allowed St. Pio to receive these torments was in order that St. Pio might keep the gift of humility. Padre Pio worked many miracles. So it was a way of keeping human pride at bay.
 
I think one may and should safely rule out psychosis in the case of St. Padre Pio.

It’s important to remember that he constantly submitted to the authority of those who, during his earthly life, were responsible for scrutinizing such things and that during the processes for the cause of his beatification and canonization all those considerations would have been subject to re-examination and re-scrutinization.

So let’s rule out psychosis from the get-go ; otherwise we remain only one step away from referring to the nature of his stigmata as psychosomatic… which would leave us stranded with either no spiritual perspective at all or, at least, a severely restricted field of spiritual vision.

It can be established that he was not only a mystic, but according to many, including Pope John Paul II, Saint “Padre Pio was the greatest mystic of the twentieth century.” In his article Mysticism, Visionaries and Visions, therealpresence.org/archives/Mysticism/Mysticism_001.htm
Father John A. Hardon, S.J distinguishes , “…between the mysticism in Christianity and the pseudo-mysticism among the Hindus or Buddhists.”

That article isn’t too lengthy and it sheds a lot of light on how we, as Catholics, should/can view mysticism (within the Church).

As Jacafamala pointed out, such attacks are rare (but not so rare among the saints) , and perhaps our knowledge of them is a little too rare in itself.

Here’s an excerpt quoting Pope John Paul II (who ends up quoting Padre Pio) from the homily at the canonisation of St. Padre Pio, ewtn.com/padrepio/saint/homily.htm :

He sought greater conformity with the Crucifed Lord
  1. “But may I never boast except in the cross of Our Lord Jesus Christ” (Gal 6,14).
    Is it not, precisely, the “glory of the Cross” that shines above all in Padre Pio? How timely is the spirituality of the Cross lived by the humble Capuchin of Pietrelcina. Our time needs to rediscover the value of the Cross in order to open the heart to hope.
    Throughout his life, he always sought greater conformity with the Crucified, since he was very conscious of having been called to collaborate in a special way in the work of redemption. His holiness cannot be understood without this constant reference to the Cross.
    In God’s plan, the Cross constitutes the true instrument of salvation for the whole of humanity and the way clearly offered by the Lord to those who wish to follow him (cf. Mk 16,24). The Holy Franciscan of the Gargano understood this well, when on the Feast of the Assumption in 1914, he wrote: “In order to succeed in reaching our ultimate end we must follow the divine Head, who does not wish to lead the chosen soul on any way other than the one he followed; by that, I say, of abnegation and the Cross” (Epistolario II, p. 155).
Now if we consider (from the first link provided [bolds are mine]) Father Hardon’s definition of a Catholic mystic :

“The language of Catholic theology is fluid in this matter. That is why we describe a mystic in three ways. He or she may be any one or all three. For the present, we shall simply explain the quality of these persons that in the Catholic vocabulary are called mystic.
Mystics are holy persons who have reached Christian perfection. They are no longer beginners, proficients. They may, of course, still grow in virtue. But their main concern is to remain united with God.
Mystics are gifted contemplatives. We must carefully note that a person can be very holy and pleasing to God without being a gifted contemplative. On this level mystics possess what is called infused contemplation. The most authoritative description of a mystic as a gifted contemplative is given by St. Teresa of Avila in her masterful work, The Interior Castle. The description is given in the 4th to the 7th mansions of St. Teresa’s description of infused contemplation.
Mystics may finally be persons who manifest charismatic phenomena. Such phenomena do not occur in the normal development of the spiritual life. They are called charisms because they are given by God for the benefit of others than the mystic. In other words, these phenomena are apostolic by nature. They may be true miracles, like private revelations, divine locutions, the stigmata, speaking in tongues, levitation, transportation through space, knowing events at a great distance of space, the gift of prophecy.
It is here, especially, that we must carefully distinguish between the mystic and these phenomena. It does not follow that because a person has these phenomenal gifts that he or she is necessarily either very holy or even gifted with infused contemplation. The single most important thing to remember about these charismatic gifts is that they are not for the benefit of the person who possesses them. If genuine, such charismata are always for the benefit of others. They are apostolic and not personal gifts from God…”

We can draw at least several conclusions, the primary being that the attacks which St. Padre Pio suffered, were not so much for his disadvantage/hindrance as they were for our benefit. The sentiments in the OP’s post are sensitive and contemplative and would seem to say about these attacks on Padre Pio, "… imagine how he must have felt."

If we turn our focus for a moment to several possibilities as to “why” he felt instead, bearing all the aforementioned in mind, it could be said that:
  • Too often today we hear the existence of the devil being denied. Though we needn’t dwell on the fact of his existence continually, if we say there is no devil then we’re saying there is no such thing as sin; which then begs the question: Then why did Christ come…What did he come to redeem us from ? Padre Pio’s experiences assure us in those respects.
  • His experiences further remind us that we are in a spiritual battle. I personally think those attacks could also be meant to remind us that the devil attacks us as well and if we continually weaken ourselves by sinning and go without the sacraments of healing, the eventual state of our souls could well end up mirroring someone who has taken a severe physical beating.
  • It is an unfortunate thing that we are not much able to converse with angels because I think St. Padre Pio’s own guardian Angel would have the most pertinent answer of all as to why he was subjected to such attacks.
…just my own limited opinion.
 
I would like to make clear that I believe that St. Padre Pio’s experiences were in no way related to psychosis. My experiences may have been rooted in psychotic episodes but I don’t believe his experiences were. (I’m not altogether sure that my own experiences were entirely in my own own head, as a matter of fact, but I am not discounting the possibility.)
Just wanted to clarify.
 
St. Anthony the Great suffered similar experiences where he was allowed to see demons in their own form.
 
Blessed Anne Catherine Emmerich endured some physical assaults from the devil or other evil spirits. Sometimes it came as a form of a dog resting its head on one of her shoulders but wouldn’t attack.

She would often be assaulted at night when her night time prayers ran on for an extended period of time. The devil’s assaults would only make her redouble her prayers after the danger had passed. (And rightfully so, since if the devil attacks us we must be doing something right; why would he waste his time with those that are already his?)

She says we have to put all of our trust in God at such a time and fully believe He has power over all. It becomes a faith-building exercise.

The devil wishes us to be damned, God wishes us to be saved. Yes, if the devil had it his way, he would be constantly attacking us and most of us would eventually lose our faith. The devil is subject to the Will of God when it comes to interfering with us in this life on earth. Many things the devil would will to do to us on earth God would not allow since He figures it will weaken or destroy what little faith we have in God. When you have the devil thinking a physical assault on you would lead you closer to damnation and when you have God thinking a physical assault by the devil on you would lead you closer to salvation, that is when a physical assault by the devil might take place.

There is still an element of free will in it on your part, the assailed. But know that if God allowed it and you could not have prevented it, you must accept this as a trial in order to build faith. God, in His Infinite Knowledge, can deduce who is ready and who is not for such a trial.
 
As previously mentioned, although those types of physical attacks are certainly not frequent occurrences in our daily lives (although temptations are), they are more common in the lives of the Saints.

Just to name a few who endured similar torments without compiling a lengthy list :

Saint John Vianney/The Curé of Ars
Saint Theresa of Avila
Saint Faustina Kowalska
Saint Joseph of Cupertino

It is recounted in the biography of Blessed Brother André Bessette (founder of St. Joseph’s Oratory in Montreal) that Blessed Brother André viewed these types of attacks on himself as the devil “always heralding” a new development coming in the construction of the Oratory or in the conversion of more souls.
 
I recently read a short 50 page pamplet about Padre Pio regarding his life as a Confessor, Stigmatist, and Priest. I also read certain revelations regarding his run-ins with demons. Allegedly, it was stated that he was beaten viciously and tormented throughout his life as a priest by demons. Padre Pio was not only able to phsically view demons but was actually able to have extremely horrible experiences with them. As a man who lived a saintly life and experienced the stigmata on a daily basis, I was not surprised to learn that he also had a “porthole” into the spiritual world by having intimate contact with Jesus, angels, etc., but also with demons. My confusion is this–why would Jesus allow Padre Pio to be actually physically harmed by demons? What purpose would it serve? Sure, I imagine Jesus allowed such suffering to be redemptive. However, this form of suffering appears to be over and beyond what anyone should or could bear. It seems like a cruel form of punishment for a man who lived a saintly life…thoughts please.
I hope I can express this right, but Jesus Christ transformed Padre Pio into Himself (I don’t know any other way to say it). Padre Pio was so united to Christ, he also loved like Christ & he loved him so intensely that He would do anything for Christ even walk through hell. I read in the book “The Interior Castle” when the devil comes to attack actually she said molest that particular soul…later that soul is visited with such divine consolations from the Beloved and the love between the soul & the Beloved intensifies. I’m paraphrasing…but there is such an intense, burning love between the two.
 
Being assaulted in such a fashion helps one offer up redemptive suffering, more greatly resemble Christ, accept completely the will of Divine Providence. . .

It is a great grace and gift of honor to a soul to allow it to experience some of the physical as well as the mental and spiritual battle. The Lord feels that a person has the virtues to enter into the lion’s den, like a Daniel.
 
Probably one reason for the demonic attacks on Padre Pio was to spur him on to pray harder and spend as many hours in the confessional as possible, so that as many souls as possible would be saved from the horrors to which he was subjected. My guess is it was the same with St. John Bosco, who was made to visit hell, and who devoted his life to the salvation of boys, and the Cure of Ars, who also was attacked by demons, and who spent as much as 16 hours a day in the confessional.

The Cure of Ars also said that the attacks became more intense when some really huge sinner was about to convert. As he put it, it was a sign that he was about to catch a big fish.
 
Probably one reason for the demonic attacks on Padre Pio was to spur him on to pray harder and spend as many hours in the confessional as possible, so that as many souls as possible would be saved from the horrors to which he was subjected. My guess is it was the same with St. John Bosco, who was made to visit hell, and who devoted his life to the salvation of boys, and the Cure of Ars, who also was attacked by demons, and who spent as much as 16 hours a day in the confessional.

The Cure of Ars also said that the attacks became more intense when some really huge sinner was about to convert. As he put it, it was a sign that he was about to catch a big fish.
Yes this is very true. 🙂

I met an old priest who’d been through similar attacks, supposedly he’d been beat up by a demon a few times. He was close friends with a family that my mother was friends with. My mother asked her friends if I could come over for a blessing from him during my difficult pregnancy. He just seemed like a nice old priest.
 
Upon further reflection on this issue–demons physically harming Padre Pio while he was alive–I still cannot get a handle on this. Why would Jesus allow a saintly man to be beaten viciously by a demon?!? How could it be redemptive?? If that is the case, why would Jesus have not allowed himself to be similarly beaten while He was alive? (No where in the Bible, of course, is there mention of this happening)…have not past living Saints who had been subjected to such violence, been exposed to other sufferings/tribulations that are of greater redemptive value than a demonic beating? I do not see anywhere in the Bible where an allusion is made to some type of redemptive value in this?!?

Was also thinking about the passage in Matthew 17:14-20, in which the disciples could not cure a boy of demonic possession. Jesus explained that they lacked the appropriate faith to do so, that if they had the faith the size of a mustard seed, they could move mountains, that nothing would be impossible for them. (paraphrasing)…in light of this passage, could it then be possible that saints who have been subjected to demonic beatings did not possess the required faith to properly rebuke their attackers?? I highly doubt this. Padre Pio was clearly a man of great faith. While living, he exorcised demons, so why was he unable to fend off a demonic beating??

I’m not convinced that Padre Pio or other Saints were actually beaten by demons. Maybe these stories are simply fabrications.
 
I recently read a short 50 page pamplet about Padre Pio regarding his life as a Confessor, Stigmatist, and Priest. I also read certain revelations regarding his run-ins with demons. Allegedly, it was stated that he was beaten viciously and tormented throughout his life as a priest by demons. Padre Pio was not only able to phsically view demons but was actually able to have extremely horrible experiences with them. As a man who lived a saintly life and experienced the stigmata on a daily basis, I was not surprised to learn that he also had a “porthole” into the spiritual world by having intimate contact with Jesus, angels, etc., but also with demons. My confusion is this–why would Jesus allow Padre Pio to be actually physically harmed by demons? What purpose would it serve? Sure, I imagine Jesus allowed such suffering to be redemptive. However, this form of suffering appears to be over and beyond what anyone should or could bear. It seems like a cruel form of punishment for a man who lived a saintly life…thoughts please.
He also had the stigmata, and the gift of bilocation. In other words he could be in two places at the same time. There were a number of witnesses to this, including a general who was going to commit suicide due to losing a battle. He was about to kill himself when a priest suddently appeared and said “Don’t do anything so foolish!” Quite some time later he met Padre Pio, and realised he was the priest. Others saw him in Rome on a daily basis, yet he’d only been in Rome once prior to that.

He also had an uncanny ability to see into people’s souls. He knew immediately if a penitent was covering up anything. He’d have had a field day with me.

He was a mystic pure and simple. I’ve had demonic harassment myself, although in a much less dramatic form, and I’m certainly no mystic, nor am I as good a man as Padre Pio.

Why does one person get cancer, or somebody else a severe disability? We might be able to describe some mechanical causes, but that won’t answer the question of “Why him, and not me?” or “Why me, and not him?”
 
Why does God allow a holy person to experience demonic possessions, oppressions, manifestations? In his book, the exocist Fr.Fortea would indicate God allows these things in order to:
  1. Show the truth of the Catholic faith.
  2. Be of spiritual benefit.
  3. Provide important lessons for both the holy person and the rest of humanity.
 
…If that is the case, why would Jesus have not allowed himself to be similarly beaten while He was alive?
I think that, during His Passion, we humans beat Jesus about as excessively and horribly enough that it resembled the demonic.
…Was also thinking about the passage in Matthew 17:14-20, in which the disciples could not cure a boy of demonic possession. Jesus explained that they lacked the appropriate faith to do so, that if they had the faith the size of a mustard seed, they could move mountains, that nothing would be impossible for them. (paraphrasing)…in light of this passage, could it then be possible that saints who have been subjected to demonic beatings did not possess the required faith to properly rebuke their attackers?? I highly doubt this. Padre Pio was clearly a man of great faith. While living, he exorcised demons, so why was he unable to fend off a demonic beating??

I’m not convinced that Padre Pio or other Saints were actually beaten by demons. Maybe these stories are simply fabrications.
Maybe there’s a slight misinterpretation of what was being posted. We’re saying Saints have been tormented/beaten by demons - not conquered by them. If there is going to be a struggle or a fight,even in the human sense, the adversary is usually expected to land a few blows; it doesn’t mean he’s the victor.

Still, if there weren’t some degree of victory on the devil’s part in a limited sense (even though it is always dependent on a paticular human soul totally of it’s own volition refusing God’s Mercy ), humans wouldn’t have to consider 3 final things … (there would only be Heaven and Purgatory).

Please bear with me. I understand this post isn’t saying Hell doesn’t exist, but it did appear to say in a single sentence that demonic possessions exist while accounts of demonic physical attacks against the saints are possible fabrications (or “highly doubtful”).

As “out of the ordinary” as some accounts can seem to us, I’m not sure if the two italicized views directly above can be considered congruent with each other.

…just my limited opinion
 
Upon further reflection on this issue–demons physically harming Padre Pio while he was alive–I still cannot get a handle on this. Why would Jesus allow a saintly man to be beaten viciously by a demon?!? How could it be redemptive?? If that is the case, why would Jesus have not allowed himself to be similarly beaten while He was alive? (No where in the Bible, of course, is there mention of this happening)…have not past living Saints who had been subjected to such violence, been exposed to other sufferings/tribulations that are of greater redemptive value than a demonic beating? I do not see anywhere in the Bible where an allusion is made to some type of redemptive value in this?!?

Was also thinking about the passage in Matthew 17:14-20, in which the disciples could not cure a boy of demonic possession. Jesus explained that they lacked the appropriate faith to do so, that if they had the faith the size of a mustard seed, they could move mountains, that nothing would be impossible for them. (paraphrasing)…in light of this passage, could it then be possible that saints who have been subjected to demonic beatings did not possess the required faith to properly rebuke their attackers?? I highly doubt this. Padre Pio was clearly a man of great faith. While living, he exorcised demons, so why was he unable to fend off a demonic beating??

I’m not convinced that Padre Pio or other Saints were actually beaten by demons. Maybe these stories are simply fabrications.
You don’t understand, all suffering for the sake of God is redemptive. That was why Christ took up the Way of the Cross, He chose it personally, and God the Father chose it, and God the Holy Spirit.

God chose to suffer, and calls all Christians to suffer for His sake. The merit they gain aids souls and gains them a higher place in Heaven.

Part of accepting God’s will completely is total surrender to divine providence, and that means being beaten, spit upon, and accepting some fashion or manner of suffering and redemptive crucifixion. That includes for all people acknowledging that all that happens on this earth is part of God’s will and plan, save sin. And so, accepting the pains that are given you by demons, men, and so ultimately God Himself.

Because it’s for the best.

These saints did not ‘lose’ to demons, they won by accepting God’s will. Sometimes they chase the demons away, because it is God’s will, sometimes they suffer, because it is God’s will. That is divine providence. 🙂
 
I do not see anywhere in the Bible where an allusion is made to some type of redemptive value in this?!?

I’m not convinced that Padre Pio or other Saints were actually beaten by demons. Maybe these stories are simply fabrications.
Well if you want to pin point - it must be written in scripture alone, in order to be approved:

Where does it teach it in sacred scriptures – that a holy man cannot be tested/tormented by fiery trials, by demons, in order to test the man’s authentic love for God?

It is written in the book of Romans: All things work together for the good, for those who love God.

Saint.Padre Pio loved Christ. He was a holy priest.

Remember God’s servant, Job?

He was tested most severely by God. God allowed much suffering; Job lost everything. Yet Job never cursed God, nor became despondent through the fiery trials, - but saw the benefits of suffering, surrendered to God, accepted them, and persevered through the trial, refusing to curse God, but praised Him instead.
 
Why does God allow a holy person to experience demonic possessions, oppressions, manifestations? In his book, the exocist Fr.Fortea would indicate God allows these things in order to:
  1. Show the truth of the Catholic faith.
  2. Be of spiritual benefit.
  3. Provide important lessons for both the holy person and the rest of humanity.
Padre Pio wasn’t possessed.

All priests are at war against the forces of hell. For Padre Pio it was visible and palpable.
 
Hello there! I am reading a bio of Padre Pio right now by C. Bernard Ruffin. I just finished a chapter where they talked about the demons that assulted him all through life. Demons are explained in this bio as also in St Faustina’s Diary much the same. The closer to God the more attacks by demons. It seems that the demons are angry with these saints for saving so many souls in their lifetimes. It seems only natural that this would happen with extreme severity in the saints lives. Are we not tempted more as we become closer to God? We do suffer from demons attacks only not with the severity of those with the odor of sanctity. I believe that these attacks made the saints cling more to God and enhanced their spiritual lives. We are a divided front when we do not align ourselves with God during these attacks.

Just some thoughts…

God Bless!
 
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