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Can anyone tell me more about this man? I’ve been surrounded by this mythology of the Friar of San Giovanno for my whole life, and the tales of fragrance of roses if St. Pio is present, etc, etc.

But how do I distinguish between a genuine interest in a vocation which leads to a spiritual experience, and a mere childhood superstition?

Can anyone that has a vocation advise me?
 
Can anyone tell me more about this man? I’ve been surrounded by this mythology of the Friar of San Giovanno for my whole life, and the tales of fragrance of roses if St. Pio is present, etc, etc.

But how do I distinguish between a genuine interest in a vocation which leads to a spiritual experience, and a mere childhood superstition?

Can anyone that has a vocation advise me?
Let’s begin by trying to consolidate here. Padre Pio was a Capuchin-Franciscan Brother. He what Franciscans refer to as an ordained brother or an ordained friar or a clerical brother or clerical friar. In other words, he was a priest who was a member of an order of brothers. That being said, he was one of millions of spiritual sons of our holy Father Francis of Assisi. If you have a vocation to be like St. Pio, then you’re talking about having a call to the Capuchin-Franciscan life.

The Capuchin-Franciscans are members of the Order of Friars Minor founded by St. Francis in 1209. The order evolved into three branches. The Conventuals, live in large religious houses called convents, hence the name Conventual Franciscan Friars. They have always been very inovled in urban ministry, especially parishes. The Observant Franciscan Friars, often simply called The Franciscans, are the largest branch of the Friars Minor. They are more commonly known for their missionary work and their work among immigrants and minorities. The Capuchin Franciscans, often called the Capuchins, are more focussed on the fraternal life, penance, spiritual direction, retreats, and life in service of sinners and the poor. It is to this branch of the Friars Minor that Padre Pio belonged.

For this reason, he spent most of his life as a confessor and doing great penance for the sins of others. This is part of the Franciscan tradition. The Capuchins stress this ministry than any other branch of the Franciscan family. Other Franciscans are the Brothers and Sisters of Penance. These are friars, sisters, lay people, who spend their lives in penance and living among the poor.

Padre Pio did not spend his life living among the materially poor. But he did spend his live among the morally poor. His entire life was dedicated to healing the soul in the Sacrament of Penance and when not in the confessional, we would spend hours in prayer and penance for the sins of those whose who had not come to confession. Confession and penance play a very important part in the life of the Capuchin friars, whether they are priests or not, it’s irrelevant to them, as long as they can bring sinners to the confessional. That’s their mission.

Early in his life, Padre Pio was imprinted with the stigmata, the wounds of Christ. No one has been able to prove that the wounds were not a miracle. There as never a scientific explanation that satisfied the medical community or any other scientific community. Therefore, at the very least, the wounds on Padre Pio’s body have been written up as unexplained phenomena and at best, as a miracle.

It is important to understand that the mriacle was not done by Padre Pio. He was the beneficiary. The miracle was performed by God. As the famous Franciscan, St. Bonaventure wrote when he wrote about the stigmata of St. Francis, when a person’s actions and prayer reach perfection, there is only one other place to go. That is to become physically transformed into the beloved, which is Christ. The identification between Francis and Padre Pio with Christ crucified was so perfect that they were both marked with the sign of the cross on their bodies. They were, like St. Paul says, “Crucified with him.”

Another interesting phenomenon that is attributed to Padre Pio is the gift of bi-location. Again, no one can prove that it never happened. There are eye-witnesses who are still alive today, who saw him in two places as far away as the USA, at the same time.

One of the characteristics of Padre Pio’s presence was the smell of flowers when he disappeared.

In the end, the man’s holiness is not in his miracles while he was alive. The miracles were the work of God through him for the sake of those who did not believe in God. But for one who truly wants to follow St. Pio, then one must follow Christ in the footsteps of St. Francis. This is what Pio did. He followed Christ by immitating Francis’ journey in his own life. In other words, Pio became a saint because of how he lived the Gospel. His mentor was Francis of Assisi. Those who would aspie to be like Pio, must begin by taking up the Gospel and reading it through the eyes of Francis. This was true of all the Franciscan saints.

I hope this helps.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Let’s begin by trying to consolidate here. Padre Pio was a Capuchin-Franciscan Brother. He what Franciscans refer to as an ordained brother or an ordained friar or a clerical brother or clerical friar. In other words, he was a priest who was a member of an order of brothers. That being said, he was one of millions of spiritual sons of our holy Father Francis of Assisi. If you have a vocation to be like St. Pio, then you’re talking about having a call to the Capuchin-Franciscan life.

The Capuchin-Franciscans are members of the Order of Friars Minor founded by St. Francis in 1209. The order evolved into three branches. The Conventuals, live in large religious houses called convents, hence the name Conventual Franciscan Friars. They have always been very inovled in urban ministry, especially parishes. The Observant Franciscan Friars, often simply called The Franciscans, are the largest branch of the Friars Minor. They are more commonly known for their missionary work and their work among immigrants and minorities. The Capuchin Franciscans, often called the Capuchins, are more focussed on the fraternal life, penance, spiritual direction, retreats, and life in service of sinners and the poor. It is to this branch of the Friars Minor that Padre Pio belonged.

For this reason, he spent most of his life as a confessor and doing great penance for the sins of others. This is part of the Franciscan tradition. The Capuchins stress this ministry than any other branch of the Franciscan family. Other Franciscans are the Brothers and Sisters of Penance. These are friars, sisters, lay people, who spend their lives in penance and living among the poor.

Padre Pio did not spend his life living among the materially poor. But he did spend his live among the morally poor. His entire life was dedicated to healing the soul in the Sacrament of Penance and when not in the confessional, we would spend hours in prayer and penance for the sins of those whose who had not come to confession. Confession and penance play a very important part in the life of the Capuchin friars, whether they are priests or not, it’s irrelevant to them, as long as they can bring sinners to the confessional. That’s their mission.

Early in his life, Padre Pio was imprinted with the stigmata, the wounds of Christ. No one has been able to prove that the wounds were not a miracle. There as never a scientific explanation that satisfied the medical community or any other scientific community. Therefore, at the very least, the wounds on Padre Pio’s body have been written up as unexplained phenomena and at best, as a miracle.

It is important to understand that the mriacle was not done by Padre Pio. He was the beneficiary. The miracle was performed by God. As the famous Franciscan, St. Bonaventure wrote when he wrote about the stigmata of St. Francis, when a person’s actions and prayer reach perfection, there is only one other place to go. That is to become physically transformed into the beloved, which is Christ. The identification between Francis and Padre Pio with Christ crucified was so perfect that they were both marked with the sign of the cross on their bodies. They were, like St. Paul says, “Crucified with him.”

Another interesting phenomenon that is attributed to Padre Pio is the gift of bi-location. Again, no one can prove that it never happened. There are eye-witnesses who are still alive today, who saw him in two places as far away as the USA, at the same time.

One of the characteristics of Padre Pio’s presence was the smell of flowers when he disappeared.

In the end, the man’s holiness is not in his miracles while he was alive. The miracles were the work of God through him for the sake of those who did not believe in God. But for one who truly wants to follow St. Pio, then one must follow Christ in the footsteps of St. Francis. This is what Pio did. He followed Christ by immitating Francis’ journey in his own life. In other words, Pio became a saint because of how he lived the Gospel. His mentor was Francis of Assisi. Those who would aspie to be like Pio, must begin by taking up the Gospel and reading it through the eyes of Francis. This was true of all the Franciscan saints.

I hope this helps.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Padre Pio was/is a true saint. One other gift that was given him was the ability to read mens souls. He could tell you which sins that you did not confess or were not penitent for.
You could keep nothing from him. He was truly blessed and a man of God.

Padre Pio, prega per noi.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
Padre Pio was/is a true saint. One other gift that was given him was the ability to read mens souls. He could tell you which sins that you did not confess or were not penitent for.
You could keep nothing from him. He was truly blessed and a man of God.

Padre Pio, prega per noi.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
I thought I just said this. He is a true saint. He lived a heroic Christina life. That’s what makes a saint.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Can anyone tell me more about this man? I’ve been surrounded by this mythology of the Friar of San Giovanno for my whole life, and the tales of fragrance of roses if St. Pio is present, etc, etc.

But how do I distinguish between a genuine interest in a vocation which leads to a spiritual experience, and a mere childhood superstition?

Can anyone that has a vocation advise me?
Did you had a spiritual experience involving St Pio calling you to the religious life? If you are considering a vocation I suggest reading this and doing the exercises.
lafayettecarmelites.org/god_calling.php
 
If one reads the story of the life of a saint, which includes reports of miracles and other supernatural events like apparitions, one is free to believe or disbelieve some or all of that as legend, exaggeration or hyperbole, or to accept it at face value. One must accept that a saint canonized by the Church is indeed a saint because of their heroic virtue, not necessarily because of any of those other phenomena while they lived. Their virtue is evidenced by miracles obtained by their intercession after death. Believing in the holiness and vitue of a saint is not superstition, neither is believing any of the details of their life related by others.
 
If one reads the story of the life of a saint, which includes reports of miracles and other supernatural events like apparitions, one is free to believe or disbelieve some or all of that as legend, exaggeration or hyperbole, or to accept it at face value. One must accept that a saint canonized by the Church is indeed a saint because of their heroic virtue, not necessarily because of any of those other phenomena while they lived. Their virtue is evidenced by miracles obtained by their intercession after death. Believing in the holiness and vitue of a saint is not superstition, neither is believing any of the details of their life related by others.
Any is correct. The sanctity of a person is defined by his or her heroic life, not by miracles. The root of this position on the part of the Church comes from scripture. In scripture we see God work many miracles in the life of people, from Genesis to the Book of Revelation. However, not all of those people who were beneficiaries of those miracles were saints. We see Jesus change water into wine at the wedding at Cana, but it did not mean that the couple getting married or the waiters were saints. We see Jesus raising Lazarus from the tomb. But there is no definitive statement from the Church that Lazarus was a saint or was not.

God works miracles for the benefit of the Church. Of course, the person involved in the mriacles is part of the Church. Therefore, those miracles also benefit him/her if they strengthen his/her faith. But observe that the person involved in the mriacle must make a free choice of faith. It is through faith that expresses itself in the perfection of charity that men and women become saints.

Ultimately, we declare that someone is in heaven because we study their lives and find in therm a constant struggle to achieve perfect charity.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Father, I never read this about someone reaching such perfection, that there is only one place to go. And I do read a lot. I half agree with you. I am grateful for these saintly men and women who really become Christ-like in their whole life that they manifest these different pehnomena.

That being said…there are others who have experienced the stigmata (like Blesed Ememcerich) who I guess, one can call victim souls. Who sufferent like Christ did in reparation for all kinds of sinners.

And then we have St Faustina who reached such a level of perfection yet did not manifest stigmata at all. Although she was a victim soul also. She experienced Jesus’ pains (when let’s say a person gets an abortion, she would feel the pain of this sin physically within her being) in reparation for that sin.

Blessed are we when we are encourged to follow these saintly people to become more Christ-like ourselves…
 
Father, I never read this about someone reaching such perfection, that there is only one place to go. And I do read a lot. I half agree with you. I am grateful for these saintly men and women who really become Christ-like in their whole life that they manifest these different pehnomena.

That being said…there are others who have experienced the stigmata (like Blesed Ememcerich) who I guess, one can call victim souls. Who sufferent like Christ did in reparation for all kinds of sinners.

And then we have St Faustina who reached such a level of perfection yet did not manifest stigmata at all. Although she was a victim soul also. She experienced Jesus’ pains (when let’s say a person gets an abortion, she would feel the pain of this sin physically within her being) in reparation for that sin.

Blessed are we when we are encourged to follow these saintly people to become more Christ-like ourselves…
I underlined one of your sentences above on reaching “perfection.” St. Bonaventure in his summa wrote the following about St. Francis of Assisi’s stigmata.

"There he passed over into God in ecstatic contemplation and became an example of perfect contemplation as he had previously been of action." (St. Bonaventure’s Sermons on St. Francis of Assisi).

Then he goes on to write: “My aim is to describe for you a holy and perfect man so that each of you may strive to imitate him.” (St. Bonaventure. Paris, 1257. Sermon on the Feast of St. Francis).

When the evils We have spoken of arise, as soon as the providentially appointed hour of help has struck, God raises up a man, not one of the common herd, but eminent and unique, to whom he assigns the salvation of all. Such is what came to pass at the end of the twelfth century and in the few subsequent years; St. Francis was the agent in this great work.

In this century appeared St. Francis. Yet with wondrous resolution and simplicity he undertook to place before the eyes of the aging world, in his words and deeds, the complete model of Christian perfection.

AUSPICATO CONCESSUM
ENCYCLICAL OF POPE LEO XIII ON ST. FRANCIS OF ASSISI


Like this, there are many more writings by Doctors of the Church and encyclicals by popes, not only about St. Francis, but about other saints as well, whom the Doctors and the popes consider to be models of Christian perfection.

We have to understand that sanctity is the heroic practice of faith. But such heroism is expressed through a continuum, meaning that the saints are different from each other. The heroism of some goes further than that of others. For example, the heorism of a martyr is the supreme act of faith.

All this being said, we must never setup one saint against another. This would be a great sin against the Holy Spirit. We simply do not kow why the Holy Spirit grants some saints greater gifts than he does other saints. We can speculate that he grants each saint what is necessary for the salvation of that person’s soul and what is necessary for the Church at that time and place. That’s the only logical explanation that I can offer.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
In my understanding, the Holy Spirit gives to whom He will what He will. We should not be envious or jealous, for He gives us what ever we pray for and need for our love of Him and our salvation. I have been blessed by the Holy Spirit with a gift of an ever deepening
understanding, faith, and love for Him who is my salvation.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
In my understanding, the Holy Spirit gives to whom He will what He will. We should not be envious or jealous, for He gives us what ever we pray for and need for our love of Him and our salvation. I have been blessed by the Holy Spirit with a gift of an ever deepening
understanding, faith, and love for Him who is my salvation.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
That’s the point with the saints. Whent the Church says that Saint X was the perfect Christian, she’s not saying that he or she was the only one who ever achieved Christian perfection. What she is saying that that some saints reached sanctity because of their effort. Even though they may not have not become the perfect mirror of Christ, they were faithful to God and did what they could with the gifts they had. I believe that there is a difference between achieving great holiness, by which we achieve sanctity and becoming a perfect mirror image of Christ, bey which we also achieve sanctity. The former is more common to most saints. It is achieved with the same effort and love as the latter. The difference between the two persons is the rung on the ladder to which they manged to climb.

If I think about sanctity as a ladder, I can imagine that at a certain rung you have achieved sanctity. The other rungs from there on are within the spectrum of sanctity. I’m not sure if I’m making myself clear or just confusing people. I hope it’s the former. LOL

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I think you were pretty clear, Br. JR. Your explanations are always enlightening.

It terms of understanding it, one’s degree of sanctity seems really no different than describing degrees in any other achievement. For people who enjoy sports like baseball, it might be an achievement to play professionally, which could be only in the minor leagues. A higher level might be the major leagues, and to those extraordinary people, MVP or Hall of Fame. Those greater degrees of achievement might be reached in different ways, one not really being “better” than another, through different abilities… pitching, hitting more home runs, etc., yet all are a higher form of professional play
 
I think you were pretty clear, Br. JR. Your explanations are always enlightening.

It terms of understanding it, one’s degree of sanctity seems really no different than describing degrees in any other achievement. For people who enjoy sports like baseball, it might be an achievement to play professionally, which could be only in the minor leagues. A higher level might be the major leagues, and to those extraordinary people, MVP or Hall of Fame. Those greater degrees of achievement might be reached in different ways, one not really being “better” than another, through different abilities… pitching, hitting more home runs, etc., yet all are a higher form of professional play
I like this analogy. I’ll have to use it. People often ask me why we (Francisans) say that Francis was the perfect Christian or why the Church allows us to say this. I always have to explaint that it is not intended to disrespect or minimize other saints, but that there are degrees or approximations to Christ and that people like Francis of Assisi and several others are identified as perfect Christians. But it is not the intention of the Church to say that one saint is more sain that the other.

Your analogy works well. One gold medal athlete is not more of an athlete than another gold medal in the same sport. But there are differences. One gold medal athlete may have performed performed the best in a specific comptetion and the following olympic, another athlete in the same competiion may break the world record. This in no way takes away merit from the other gold medal winners in the winners circle for that sport. They are all gold medalists.

So too with the saints. They are all gold medalists in the life of faith and holiness. Some break records and others do not. But they are all achievers and winners. This analogy does work here. Thanks for the idea.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
That’s the point with the saints. Whent the Church says that Saint X was the perfect Christian, she’s not saying that he or she was the only one who ever achieved Christian perfection. What she is saying that that some saints reached sanctity because of their effort. Even though they may not have not become the perfect mirror of Christ, they were faithful to God and did what they could with the gifts they had. I believe that there is a difference between achieving great holiness, by which we achieve sanctity and becoming a perfect mirror image of Christ, bey which we also achieve sanctity. The former is more common to most saints. It is achieved with the same effort and love as the latter. The difference between the two persons is the rung on the ladder to which they manged to climb.

If I think about sanctity as a ladder, I can imagine that at a certain rung you have achieved sanctity. The other rungs from there on are within the spectrum of sanctity. I’m not sure if I’m making myself clear or just confusing people. I hope it’s the former. LOL

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
Yes. I agree. I’m on the bottom of the ladder and trying to reach the first rung. It’s quite
diffficult, but I’m sure that with the Holy Spirit’s help I’ll be able to reach it. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
 
Yes. I agree. I’m on the bottom of the ladder and trying to reach the first rung. It’s quite
diffficult, but I’m sure that with the Holy Spirit’s help I’ll be able to reach it. God Bless.

PAX DOMINI :signofcross:

Shalom Aleichem
The good thing is that God wants us all to be holy, which means that he wants us all to be saints. He will give us the graces that we ask for. God will never deny us anything that we need to achieve perfect charity.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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Saint John Climacus (c. 579-649), one of the Desert Fathers, used the same metaphor for a more complex arrangement in his Ladder of Divine Ascent, a strategy of salvation which begins with the renunciation of worldly life and ascends through obedience, penitence, detachment and humility in the daily struggle to enter more and more deeply into the love of God and freedom from everything which impedes that love. So far as I am aware, his is the only book which has given rise to its own icon: the image of a ladder with many rungs stretching from the desert toward the welcoming arms of Christ in the upper-right hand corner. The ladder is crowded with those who wish to enter the kingdom of God, but they are under attack by small demons armed with arrows, spears and robes. Succumbing to various temptations, some are shown falling off the ladder.
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Saint John Climacus (c. 579-649), one of the Desert Fathers, used the same metaphor for a more complex arrangement in his Ladder of Divine Ascent, a strategy of salvation which begins with the renunciation of worldly life and ascends through obedience, penitence, detachment and humility in the daily struggle to enter more and more deeply into the love of God and freedom from everything which impedes that love. So far as I am aware, his is the only book which has given rise to its own icon: the image of a ladder with many rungs stretching from the desert toward the welcoming arms of Christ in the upper-right hand corner. The ladder is crowded with those who wish to enter the kingdom of God, but they are under attack by small demons armed with arrows, spears and robes. Succumbing to various temptations, some are shown falling off the ladder.
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I had never seen this before. But it expresses what I was talking aboiut so well. I would call it the ladder of sanctity, even though the Ladder of the Beatitudes works just as well. Thanks for sharing this.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I had never seen this before. But it expresses what I was talking aboiut so well. I would call it the ladder of sanctity, even though the Ladder of the Beatitudes works just as well. Thanks for sharing this.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
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Hi Father!

I would highly recommend this book. It is a combination of East/West spiritualities. A simple, wonderful way for those walking the path of holiness. (By East/West, I mean the Byzantine, Orthodox, etc translation of things divine. I find their spriituality so, so mystical. As our Holy Father the late beloved John Paul the Great has said…the East/West are the both lungs of the Catholic Faith.

We are so blessed!🙂
 
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