Paedocommunion

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Hey everyone,

Has there been any discussion on here before regarding the practice of Paedocommunion or its history within the Church, east and west?

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Giving communion to Baptized children once they are old enough to “take and eat” the Eucharist.

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Gabe
 
Paedocommunion is admitting young children to Holy Communion before confirmation or confession.

Some claim that this is an acient practice that went out of style by around 10th or 11th century. There is no evidence to support this view.

I have heard that some Orthodox and Eastern Rite churches give Holy Communion to children at the time they are baptized. I believe that is a one-time thing. They wait until the child is of age, catechized, confirmed and been to Confession (or whatever the procedures of initiation are) before admitting them to Holy Communion.

The Church does not approve of the very young, too young to understand sin, receiving Holy Communion.
 
Can you explain what this means?
Apparently its the practice of giving Communion to infants and children, see here.

I don’t know if there is much need to discuss it from a Latin Rite view, it is generally the Bishop who would set the age when children receive First Communion. The main exception to that is children who might not survive that long for whatever reason in which case they would be given Communion and Confirmed early. They would be expected to confess before receiving regularly though which may leave a bit of a gap between receiving for the first time and going for regular Communion.
 
The Church does not approve of the very young, too young to understand sin, receiving Holy Communion.
Where do the Scriptures teach one must “understand sin” prior to Communion?
 
I have heard that some Orthodox and Eastern Rite churches give Holy Communion to children at the time they are baptized. I believe that is a one-time thing. They wait until the child is of age, catechized, confirmed and been to Confession (or whatever the procedures of initiation are) before admitting them to Holy Communion.

The Church does not approve of the very young, too young to understand sin, receiving Holy Communion.
No, the Eastern Churches and the Orthodox communicate children starting from Baptism onwards. BTW, Confirmation occurs immediately following Baptism, before reception of first Communion. DD has received Communion every Sunday for the last 15 years, since she was Baptized at the age of 8 weeks.
 
I have heard that some Orthodox and Eastern Rite churches give Holy Communion to children at the time they are baptized. I believe that is a one-time thing. They wait until the child is of age, catechized, confirmed and been to Confession (or whatever the procedures of initiation are) before admitting them to Holy Communion.
It’s not a one-time thing. Eastern Christian infants are baptized, christmated (confirmed) and given the Eucharist all at once. Communion continues throughout a person’s life.
 
I have heard that some Orthodox and Eastern Rite churches give Holy Communion to children at the time they are baptized. I believe that is a one-time thing. They wait until the child is of age, catechized, confirmed and been to Confession (or whatever the procedures of initiation are) before admitting them to Holy Communion…
The Eastern Churches ( Orthodox and Catholic both) also Confirm the child at Baptism.

No it’s not a one time event. Very young children recieve the Holy Eucharist and do so with regularity.

My Catholic grade school had a Byzantine Catholic parish that also ‘fed’ into this parish. My Byzantine classmates in kindergarten recieved Communion at school Masses while us Latins stayed in the pews.

I have also been to many Divine Liturgies as often see parents bring babies and toddlers up for Communion
 
Thank you all for correcting me. 🙂 If you read my posts on other threads, you know that I always welcome well intentioned correction. As a Latin Rite Catholic, a relatively recent convert and I have only one child who is an adult, I hope I can plead ignorance. 😊

So I will amplify my statement and say that in the Latin Rite, Children are not admitted into communion until after they are confirmed or have their first confession.
 
So I will amplify my statement and say that in the Latin Rite, Children are not admitted into communion until after they are confirmed or have their first confession.
no, baptized children are admitted to communion when they have attained catechetical age, are properly prepared and disposed, and have made first confession. Confirmation may happen anytime between the attainment of catechetical age and majority, the actual time is set by the local bishop, as is the age for first communion. Confirmation is not a prerequisite for first communion although they may happen at the same time.
 
I have heard that some Orthodox and Eastern Rite churches give Holy Communion to children at the time they are baptized. I believe that is a one-time thing. They wait until the child is of age, catechized, confirmed and been to Confession (or whatever the procedures of initiation are) before admitting them to Holy Communion.

**You are mistaken, rpp.

All Orthodox Churches and their Byzantine Catholic counterparts give communion regularly to infants from the time they are baptized and do not stop.

Then sometime between age 7 and 10 (depending on the child; it’s a pastoral decision with (name removed by moderator)ut from the parents when the child is ready), the child makes his/her first Confession.**
 
The main exception to that is children who might not survive that long for whatever reason in which case they would be given Communion and Confirmed early.
No, they may be confirmed if they are in danger of dying – in fact, Canon Law says that if they are baptized due to danger of death they should also be baptized at that time but communion is reserved for those who understand what they are receiving.
Can. 913 §1. The administration of the Most Holy Eucharist to children requires that they have sufficient knowledge and careful preparation so that they understand the mystery of Christ according to their capacity and are able to receive the body of Christ with faith and devotion.
§2. The Most Holy Eucharist, however, can be administered to children in danger of death if they can distinguish the body of Christ from ordinary food and receive communion reverently.
 
Where do the Scriptures teach one must “understand sin” prior to Communion?
Jesus told us we must discern our worthiness to receive prior to receiving Him: “Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.” (1 Corinthians 11:27-29)

We aren’t properly disposed to receive the Blessed Sacrament if we don’t have an adequate understanding what we’re receiving.
 
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We aren’t properly disposed to receive the Blessed Sacrament if we don’t have an adequate understanding what we’re receiving.**

**Do any of us really understand? If we did, we would be God ourselves.

A little 3-year old girl (I don’t remember now if she was Orthodox or Melkite) was asked what she was receiving when she was taken up for Communion. She replied, “Jesus bread!”

I think she’s got it nailed.**
 
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We aren’t properly disposed to receive the Blessed Sacrament if we don’t have an adequate understanding what we’re receiving.**

Do any of us really understand? If we did, we would be God ourselves.

A little 3-year old girl (I don’t remember now if she was Orthodox or Melkite) was asked what she was receiving when she was taken up for Communion. She replied, "Jesus bread!"

I think she’s got it nailed.
I think she got it right, too.

My Latin Rite daughter, when three or four, used to sing a little song she called a “commerical” that went something like, “It looks like bread, but it’s Jesus!”
 
Jesus told us we must discern our worthiness to receive prior to receiving Him: “Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.” (1 Corinthians 11:27-29)

We aren’t properly disposed to receive the Blessed Sacrament if we don’t have an adequate understanding what we’re receiving.
It says to examine yourself by eating and drinking. Sounds like a Jealousy offering to me. If we’re unfaithful, it is a curse, if we’re faithful it is a blessing. Also, the “discernment” is of the Lord’s body. It is a question of unity (the body of Christ, waiting for one another), not intellectual prowess.
 
No, they may be confirmed if they are in danger of dying – in fact, Canon Law says that if they are baptized due to danger of death they should also be baptized at that time but communion is reserved for those who understand what they are receiving.
Can. 913 §1. The administration of the Most Holy Eucharist to children requires that they have sufficient knowledge and careful preparation so that they understand the mystery of Christ according to their capacity and are able to receive the body of Christ with faith and devotion.
This canon asks that the child understand that it isn’t ordinary food. As soon as a child can understand “special” then he would meet this criteria, which would probably be around 1 year old. Canons are disciplines that can change. The Eastern Catholics have a different canon that doesn’t say that. There is nothing in the deposit of faith which requires understanding. The Roman Catholic Church unnecessarily keeps disabled people and children from the Lord for disciplanry reasons. People don’t feel so bad for the children because they’ll eventually receive and if they are in danger of death they theoretically will be able to receive, but what about disabled people who suffer in their own minds and bodies? The Roman Catholic Church often denies them communion for their entire lives saying they can’t understand. When a man brought his son to Jesus and said his son was a lunatic and epileptic (Mt.17:14-20; Mk.9:14-29; Lk.9:37-43), Jesus didn’t question the boy’s faith. He asked the father if the father believed, and with that assurance he healed the boy.

I don’t know what the canons are, but theologically there is no reason to deny a confirmed child the Eucharist. That’s why the Eastern children are able to receive. If Baptism is the gateway to life in the Spirit, then Confirmation is the key. Once the person has received the Holy Spirit, what possible explanation could be constructed to keep the child from receiving Jesus. Who among us is worthy? If anyone, it would be a child.
Jesus told us we must discern our worthiness to receive prior to receiving Him: “Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself.” (1 Corinthians 11:27-29)

We aren’t properly disposed to receive the Blessed Sacrament if we don’t have an adequate understanding what we’re receiving.
It says if we are sinful and we receive in our sinful state, we are drinking judgment on ourselves. Children or disabled people who don’t understand right and wrong can’t sin voluntarily, so they have no need of examining their consciences which are already clean. We should all be like them!

Matthew 13
Then children were brought to him that he might lay his hands on them and pray. The disciples rebuked them,
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but Jesus said, “Let the children come to me, and do not prevent them; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.”
 
this canon asks that the child understand that it isn’t ordinary food. As soon as a child can understand “special” then he would meet this criteria, which would probably be around 1 year old.
I understand that this applies only to Latin Rite Catholics and could be changed any time.

I also sincerely doubt that a child of 1 can distinguish special from ordinary in the way the canon law understands it, not to mention being able to receive reverently. At least I can say that no child I’ve ever known, including my 3 could do that.

At the age of 3, quite possibly if they’ve been instructed from birth as mine and many others were. That was the age of a child to whom a priest friend of mine gave communion when the child repeatedly requested to receive ‘Jesus’. Again said child had been well prepared by his parents.
 
Please notice 1 Corinthians 10

** 1For I do not want you to be ignorant of the fact, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and that they all passed through the sea. 2They were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea. 3They all ate the same spiritual food 4and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.**

Consider now these questions:
  1. Doesn’t this sound liike a prefigurement of Christian Baptism and Eucharist to you?
  2. Is there a definition of “all” that would exclude the little ones?
 
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