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Hi Everyone, my atheist friend told me yesterday that Christianity is a pagan religion. I asked him to elaborate and he said that Jesus dying on a cross and ressurecting is all pagan and already happened in history. How do we know as Christians that our religion is not pagan? What is a response to a person like this?
 
Welcome, OP.🙂 My understanding is that the origin of crucifixion dates back to ancient Egypt, well before the time of Christ. Is your friend referring to this type of Paganism, as opposed to the European Paganism we’re more familiar with? Although crucifixion occurred before Christianity, I cannot recall any lore of a resurrection. I would be curious to know!

Early Christianity did adopt some customs that overlapped with Pagan ones, such as the (now Christmas) tree, the circle around the Celtic cross, and other festivities that ocurred during the solstice. However the religion itself was never Pagan. Your friend needs to understand the difference between a Pagan religion, versus a sharing of *customs *that were practiced by Pagan people.
 
One way to respond is to acknowledge that ALL religions use some pagan things. For example, the New Testament was originally written in the Greek language. The Greek language was a language of a pagan nation. Later on, Latin, the language of another pagan nation, became the official language of the Catholic Mass in the western parts of Europe. Catholics took the custom of statues of saints from pagans. But so what? Our statues are not of pagan gods. They are of Christ and Christian saints. Even the Jews translated their Bible into the Greek language (a pagan language) before the time of Christ. Even the English language is based mainly on a Germanic language (another pagan language). But the core the Catholic Faith can be clearly be seen to be Jewish and Christian. Jesus and his apostles all were Jews who practiced the Jewish religion. Christianity is a continuation of the Jewish religion. Islam used the crescent moon as a symbol. That’s from paganism. But Muslims do not worship the moon or a moon God. Just ask them. They’ll tell you they don’t.

Oh well, that’s one thought. There’s tons more about this on the Internet.
 
Hi Everyone, my atheist friend told me yesterday that Christianity is a pagan religion. I asked him to elaborate and he said that Jesus dying on a cross and ressurecting is all pagan and already happened in history. How do we know as Christians that our religion is not pagan? What is a response to a person like this?
…your pagan, er, atheist friend is ignorant of what the word means… here’s a link you can share with your friend:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism

The basic difference between Christianity and paganism is that pagans believe in everything and anything (including dead relatives/animals) and everything and anything can be a deity… which they are willing to place along or right above or bellow other gods in their existing deism…

Christ, as your friend pointed out, is the God that prophesied His Coming into the world He Created, gave His Life on the Cross for the sin of humanity, Resurrected and Ascended into Heaven and, as He is the Eternal and Only God, will Come again for the Final Judgment and Reconciliation with those who have Believed and Obeyed His Commandments.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
One way to respond is to acknowledge that ALL religions use some pagan things. For example, the New Testament was originally written in the Greek language. The Greek language was a language of a pagan nation. Later on, Latin, the language of another pagan nation, became the official language of the Catholic Mass in the western parts of Europe. Catholics took the custom of statues of saints from pagans. But so what? Our statues are not of pagan gods. They are of Christ and Christian saints. Even the Jews translated their Bible into the Greek language (a pagan language) before the time of Christ. Even the English language is based mainly on a Germanic language (another pagan language). But the core the Catholic Faith can be clearly be seen to be Jewish and Christian. Jesus and his apostles all were Jews who practiced the Jewish religion. Christianity is a continuation of the Jewish religion. Islam used the crescent moon as a symbol. That’s from paganism. But Muslims do not worship the moon or a moon God. Just ask them. They’ll tell you they don’t.

Oh well, that’s one thought. There’s tons more about this on the Internet.
…it should be clarified that the depiction of Christ, the Holy Trinity, and the Saints is different from pagan practice as Christians symbols stay a symbol (what is called a Sacramental) while pagans actually believe that any image they possess is an actual god and they worship those images as their deities!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
I recall my fiancee had problems with chant, because it seemed “pagan” to her, until I told her this response: because Christianity is the fullness of truth, all things true and good belong properly to Christianity, because the God Who lovest Mankind, even to those outside His covenant, granted some spark of truth. Christian chant derives itself from ancient Greek music, but was converted to Christian purposes in order to beautifully glorify our Lord and Savior. Christianity is a religion of converts: convert peoples and convert ideals and convert means to convey those ideals to those peoples.
 
I asked him to elaborate and he said that Jesus dying on a cross and ressurecting is all pagan and already happened in history.
Oh, that one is quite popular nowadays. It was popularised by the tinfoil-hat-movie Zeitgeist. It states that pagan gods where crucified and resurrected as well, and give examples like Mithras and Osiris. Thing is, it’s all lies, in the pagan stories they weren’t crucified or resurrected. But ignorance is bliss I guess 🤷
 
I’ve always enjoyed reading about ancient Egypt, including its religion/mythology. To the best of my recollection, Osiris was killed by his brother Seth, and then Osiris’ sister Isis pleaded with the father-god Ammon-Ra to give life back to him and they copulated and give birth to their son Horus. Osiris was not crucified however, he was hacked to pieces (one of the pieces which was considered to be a talisman by which the one who held possession could rule the forces of the underworld).

I should have elaborated on my previous post #3 when I said there was no resurrection. What I meant was that I have no knowledge of the combined event (*crucifiction *+ resurrection), the concept which the OP’s friend said was copied by Christianity. The fact that the subject of resurrection is shared by both Christianity and Egyptian paganism in no way relates the two religions - it is merely a similarity. Christianity is no more a pagan religion than it is a Bhuddist one, simply because similarities between the Ten Commandments and the Noble Eightfold Path could be observed.
 
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