Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

[aldgh]

1. Do you care for Israeli citizens both dead and those living in fear?

The Japanese ‘citizens’ of the time lived in a military culture and all had martial training and propoganda was so intense…

hahahahahaha~!!!

in this same! way we can also claim that the JEWS are also living in a military culture! Arn’t all Israeli’s conscripted into the army?

1. No, although the militants are so convinced of Jewish inferiority that they will not accept that their forces are pathetic in comparison.

Haha anygovernment would do the same! If Hamas were to “put themselves down” so to speak, you’d think there be much hope for counter attack?

America, when had war with Vietnam, if I’m not mistaken didnt the us government impose a whole “iron curtain” of all media coverage of the matter? For them not to show all the losses and lose public support?

yours truly

 

[aldgh]

No one is demanding that they stop their lobbing missiles into Israel - they are not making any peep about the ones coming in from lebanon/Hezbollah!

If i’m not mistaken, isnt your whole (American) governments defence that Hamas was the one who started lobbing rockets.

Secondly, i feel that voices like mine are the minority and therefore the least heard (look around this thread you might find some comrades )

yours truly

 

[aldgh]

In the war, usually, any civilian take actions in favor of a particular party, then he/she is no longer called as civilian, regardless of wearing uniform of not.

My friend, in that case the whole “concept” that Hamas started the rocket is illegitimate. As with the claim, "Hamas started firing rockets into civilians and Israel feels threatened justifying bombing of Gaza. "

Also, I hate to use this example, but especially as all, (note this includes women) Israeli’s will eventually be conscripted into the military forces then, effectively using both arguments, Israeli civilians are legitimate targets.

yours truly

 

[R_not]

Oh so the basic teachings of Zionism will not allow peace? (I’m particularly referring to the increasing number of settlements, walls, highways constructed in the W.B.)

Hmm how about OUR “basic” teachings, all of them kindly posted to us by our friend R_Not firmly imprinted on our bible?

yours truly

And so what if the jews have settlements?! Why is it that muslims cannot live with others but they set up settlements in our lands and when their numbers increase they DEMAND the area be separate and their own while we cannot live there unless we are subjugated?!? This one sided demands is downright hypocritical.

We have over 30 compounds set up by muslims in the USA, one notable is called ‘Islamberg’ in upperstate NY. In California there are two of these.

From the DVD, the Third Jihad,

a lot of disconcerting things happening on that compound. bullets riddling vehicles, gunfire, people screaming, etc

In the Philippines the muslims are demanding their own country, in India they want Kashmir and more land from India, in Israel they want more land, in France alone there are over 700 ‘urban sensitive zones’ where no non-muslim should go unless they don’t care about living, or being beaten/raped.

Why is it that muslims demand from us to live in peace while they do not give the same consideration to others?

And here is the thing - all the Palestinians and hamas have to do is stop lobbing bombs into ISrael. the bad guys are not the Israelis - they have had bombs lobbed at them for so long now - the muslims don’t even keep a cease fire/peace treaty for longer than a day.

And I know this will go on deaf ears because of the base teachings of islam - to keep on fighting for allah. Keep on spinning the truth so as to make it sound like the muslims are the victims when they are not.

 

[Parabol]

hahahahahaha~!!!

in this same! way we can also claim that the JEWS are also living in a military culture! Arn’t all Israeli’s conscripted into the army?

Only for a short time the difference you failed to spot was that for the Japanese training was aggressive and for the Israelis it is a precaution.

And the second point, historically governments/rulers have indeed surrendered in order to protect their people, Hamas would never consider surrender not if it meant every one of the Palestinians they pretend to defend wind up six feet under.

Also, there was actually a lot of anti-war activity in the US at the time of the Vietnam war it was one of the contributing factors to the US army being called back.

 

[rikkk1958]

My friend, in that case the whole “concept” that Hamas started the rocket is illegitimate. As with the claim, "Hamas started firing rockets into civilians and Israel feels threatened justifying bombing of Gaza. "

Also, I hate to use this example, but especially as all, (note this includes women) Israeli’s will eventually be conscripted into the military forces then, effectively using both arguments, Israeli civilians are legitimate targets.

yours truly

You claimed to be a Catholic, can you tell us how you can solve the problem? The problem with those who are against Israel’s existence is I think they tend to forget what Israel is all about. God’s plan are not for humanity to understand. If you think God’s plan is finished then think again. The coming of the Son was supposed to be God’s ultimate evidence of showing us how much He loved us, but it was for his chosen people that He made His covenant and that it was for this people to know and understand what has God prepared for them. Although, we as gentiles were given the salvation also through our Lord Jesus Christ, it is still clear that God’s plan is not finished and that more of His power and glory will be made through this chosen people and land.

Yes, we have made to accept our Lord Jesus Christ’ redemption and love but the hardness of His people’s heart to accept the Son will be made evident on their lives, by not accepting the new covenant the Son offered they will be subjected to the same fate they had since the beginning of man. If you look at the whole scenario, Israel is confronted by those who really does not know God and the Son, which means the story in the Holy Bible is still in play between two brothers but with different favors from God. Islam as we know is contrary to what God is all about. Christians knows we have to respect the Jewish people.

The fight is not for Christians. The story will live on and who can question God’s plan. We saw casualties and sympathized with them but who will judge them? Is life on earth better than the heavens?

 

[rikkk1958]

It is not my intention to say that we can not really understand what God’s plan is but rather implying that we will never know what is to come. We of course will be made to understand by way of showing us His power and glory through His chosen people.

In the course of Jewish history in the Bible, we knew how cruel war was and asked how God can let it happen. I truly believe because of my faith in God and His plan, that casualties are His subjects and may be subjected to His will and judgment. Sufferings are of human while given new life in His Kingdom is another. We as Christians saw these sufferings but if we look around, I think we have to check our guilt if we have done something good because not only the Palestinians are casualties but there are millions around the world who are likely to die because of our neglect. Are we really doing what God commands us to do?

 

[jlhargus]

America, when had war with Vietnam, if I’m not mistaken didnt the us government impose a whole “iron curtain” of all media coverage of the matter? For them not to show all the losses and lose public support? yours truly

JL: You are mistaken

 

[aldgh]

And so what if the jews have settlements?!

So what??? Are you kidding? Thats like me coming to your house, slowly by slowly taking each room, and then eventually evict you out to the street.

P.S.
My friend, I, having intruded into your house, cant then choose and demand the type of warfare! I would first say, “you first get out!”

yours truly,

 

[Parabol]

So what??? Are you kidding? Thats like me coming to your house, slowly by slowly taking each room, and then eventually evict you out to the street.

P.S.
My friend, I, having intruded into your house, cant then choose and demand the type of warfare! I would first say, “you first get out!”

yours truly,

That’s the right message. It was wrong of ‘Israel’ to do this.

 

[R_not]

So what??? Are you kidding? Thats like me coming to your house, slowly by slowly taking each room, and then eventually evict you out to the street.

P.S.
My friend, I, having intruded into your house, cant then choose and demand the type of warfare! I would first say, “you first get out!”

yours truly,

That is EXACTLY WHAT THE MUSLIMS HAVE DONE IN THE BALKANS, THE GAZA, PAKISTAN/KASHMIR/INDIA, THE PHILLIPINES, AND NOW EUROPE AND THE USA, ETC.

And the only reason why the Isrealis are forced into compounds is due to the muslim hostility against them. If the muslims could live with others then there would be no compounds that the Jews are forced to live in.

You didn’t even read the rest of the post - you only read the first sentence. Read the rest of the post.

Stop being hypocritical about what the muslims are doing! The muslims are just fighting because they hate. It isn’t about land, it is about hatred. It is all in their koran and when you decide you want to crack one open and read it - you might find that out too.

 

[aldgh]

Only for a short time the difference you failed to spot was that for the Japanese training was aggressive and for the Israelis it is a precaution.

only for a short time the difference you fail to mention is that Japan was in the wrong! Israel is also in the wrong! The principle is the same.

And the second point, historically governments/rulers have indeed surrendered in order to protect their people, Hamas would never consider surrender not if it meant every one of the Palestinians they pretend to defend wind up six feet under

You mean to tell me that if your country was invaded, your lifestyle ruined , you wouldn’t fight to the death? When life isn’t worth living?

Also, there was actually a lot of anti-war activity in the US at the time of the Vietnam war it was one of the contributing factors to the US army being called back.

This itself shows you the true cause here. Even though the Palestinians are suffering terribly, in terms of Militant deaths and civilian destruction they are still willing to fight. Only a man in true desperation will commit such acts, taking on one of the best military forces in the world.

 

[Parabol]

Life is certainly worth living for many Palestinians even if they need help to stabilise their lives. A note on desperation, in desperation an army surrenders, it does not continue to fight. If they can not achieve peace by winning a war (I’m not advocating this) and they can achieve peace by surrendering, it is obvious what they should do.

Perhaps this doesn’t apply, because Hamas does not recognise the full threat of the IDF, one Hamas leader said they had won a ‘great victory’ over Israel. A great victory? Infrastructure levelled and a huge death toll on the Palestinian side compared to the Israeli?
We must agree Hamas is the biggest loser after this conflict, and when Hamas itself can’t see this, you wonder if any of them have the intellect of a standard human being.

To suggest Israel is wrong for retaliating to rocket attacks is not reasonable.

 

[aldgh]

You claimed to be a Catholic, can you tell us how you can solve the problem? The problem with those who are against Israel’s existence is I think they tend to forget what Israel is all about.

Yes, I am Catholic! As for trying to solve the problem, i doubt that the “Hate” will ever go away, although peace must be attempted. Israel must accept Hamas, the State of Palestine, and they must accept that they were in the wrong!. (This means a sorry) Refugees must be allowed to return and for there to be a 2 state solution. (the 1947UN partition plan would be the best bet)

As for your messages about our religion, i’m sure our god would find it most concerning that we would be violating some of the 10 commandmandments also in the bible:
Tho shall not steal
" " " kill
Tho not bear false witness against your neighbour

I am aware that the bible does claim a holy land for the Jews, but at what price?

 

[R_not]

Besides our own mainstream media spouting out biases against Israel, there is a definite bias in the media that is in muslim countries. Well, is that really a surprise!?

And until the truth comes out - there will be no peace. It is just the continual brainwashing of people to keep them riled up and full of hatred.

bias in muslim media

 

[aldgh]

That is EXACTLY WHAT THE MUSLIMS HAVE DONE IN THE BALKANS, THE GAZA, PAKISTAN/KASHMIR/INDIA, THE PHILLIPINES, AND NOW EUROPE AND THE USA, ETC.

Balkans? Dude, the Muslims were ethically cleansed!

India? The BJP party are corrupt murderers! *Are you aware of the Gujarat riots? *Are you aware of the Kahmir independence struggle? do your research.

Muslims are feeling alienated from the western world. Conflict in Palestine you’ll understand (soon i hope) is their key prickle. I am not justifying that this “terrorism” is right at all, although, eventually it will lead to a compromise. Jihad is a powerful weapon the Muslims hold and especially when facing the might of the US is effective. I say this sooner or later America will pull out its support of Israel. One day, the Arabs will cut oil supplies from the middle east. Also note, it was only with terrorism that ie the deaths of US troops, expenditure and grievance of loss that has made America (almost) pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Peacefull methods fail. Tibet is standing on the street, no one listens/ cares for them.
I am not saying that this is right, although it is really their only option- unless you can name some?

yours truly

 

[Lev23]

Yes, I am Catholic! As for trying to solve the problem, i doubt that the “Hate” will ever go away, although peace must be attempted. Israel must accept Hamas, the State of Palestine, and they must accept that they were in the wrong!. (This means a sorry) Refugees must be allowed to return and for there to be a 2 state solution. (the 1947UN partition plan would be the best bet)

As for your messages about our religion, i’m sure our god would find it most concerning that we would be violating some of the 10 commandmandments also in the bible:
Tho shall not steal
" " " kill
Tho not bear false witness against your neighbour

I am aware that the bible does claim a holy land for the Jews, but at what price?

According to “your” peace plan, will hundred’s of years of Jew-hatred come to a halt? If Israel opens up all the barn doors, will Jew-loving citizens fill up Israel?

A reminder to those that don’t treat Israel as God’s original Covenant people by punishing them by the nations standards and ignoring the Lord’s call for his people to come to him, and him only-
**Joel 3-1-6
"In those days and at that time,
when I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
I will gather all nations
and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. [a]
There I will enter into judgment against them
concerning my inheritance, my people Israel,
for they scattered my people among the nations
and divided up my land.

They cast lots for my people
and traded boys for prostitutes;
they sold girls for wine
that they might drink.

"Now what have you against me, O Tyre and Sidon and all you regions of Philistia? Are you repaying me for something I have done? If you are paying me back, I will swiftly and speedily return on your own heads what you have done. For you took my silver and my gold and carried off my finest treasures to your temples. You sold the people of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks, that you might send them far from their homeland. **

 

[Lev23]

Muslims are feeling alienated from the western world.

Then maybe Islam clerics need to step out of the 10th century and catch up with the rest.

 

[aldgh]

Life is certainly worth living for many Palestinians…

(in reply of full response)

Whoa! The Palestinians do want to live. However to live, they realize they have have to fight. Which is why i say they are, “by fighting” ready to die.

If they were not to fight, it would be like what Tibet is now.

*Please also be aware, in accordance with my last post i wish to add, Hamas is under no obligation to fight conventionally. fighting conventionally doesnt work when your faced with superior arms! If Hamas was allowed an army, then they could fight conventionally

 

[R_not]

Balkans? Dude, the Muslims were ethically cleansed!

India? The BJP party are corrupt murderers! *Are you aware of the Gujarat riots? *Are you aware of the Kahmir independence struggle? do your research.

Muslims are feeling alienated from the western world. Conflict in Palestine you’ll understand (soon i hope) is their key prickle. I am not justifying that this “terrorism” is right at all, although, eventually it will lead to a compromise. Jihad is a powerful weapon the Muslims hold and especially when facing the might of the US is effective. I say this sooner or later America will pull out its support of Israel. One day, the Arabs will cut oil supplies from the middle east. Also note, it was only with terrorism that ie the deaths of US troops, expenditure and grievance of loss that has made America (almost) pull out of Afghanistan and Iraq.

Peacefull methods fail. Tibet is standing on the street, no one listens/ cares for them.
I am not saying that this is right, although it is really their only option- unless you can name some?

yours truly

I am not going to keep bringing up things to suggest that you start studying history. The muslims start the violence, after years of the non-muslims taking it they strike back in self-defense and the muslims whine and wail the loudest and you blame their victims.

It is the same that is going on in the Gaza/Israeli war and the same that is going on in India/Pakistan/Kashmir - I will give this website out for anyone interested in reading - there are also books about it. the muslim hordes had 3 major jihads in india and now they are going through another one. Yes, their history is a mess now - all thanks to the muslim hordes.

And now due to not only Mumbai (that was probably the last straw) but because of the continual violence - kidnappings/rapes, etc that is going on the Indians are almost at war with pakistan. but, you will again blame the Indians because it will look like India is the aggressor to you.

History of jihad speaks for itself and it is not nowhere near peaceful.

In the Balkans, Clinton has a monument in his name - the radicals there - those who were found with the Saudi prince’s name in their PCs who are funding that mess - erected a monument to Clinton thanking him for helping them kill even more Christians. They even gave money to the 2004 (Kerry’s Presidential campaign) DNC. Read, ‘Revenge of the Prophet’ if you want to know what the muslims did to those people. I guess beheading and torturing isn’t nothing in your book so when the Christians struck back - that was a no-no.

Just as the muslims did to the Christians in Lebanon - they were killed (snipers), bombed, tortured, beheaded, etc. Read Brigette’s book, ‘Because They Hate’ and you might get an idea how the muslims took the ‘Riviera of the Middle East’ and made it into a pig sty.

Because the news doesn’t cover the victims of the muslims this is the sort of junk we get from so many.