Palestinian-Israeli Conflict

[chrisse]

Chrisse - Thank you for your post.
You are right about the propaganda, and I do get carried away some time with my verbiage. .
I can NEVER defend the atrocities of many Muslims. They find a way of justifying the killing of innocents in the most brutal way.
However, I do think the Palestinians got their land stolen and that Israel over reacted when they killed 1300 or so Palestinians.
Peace
Bob

Bob,
The “Palestinians” did not get their land stolen as there is no such people called “Palestinians”. With the British Mandate of Palestine, “Palestine” referred to the Jewish homeland, and therefore the Jews were the “Palestinians”. The actual arabs who were there already never considered themselves “Palestinians”.

This is a complex issue, but in brief. When the British under Churchill sliced off 80% of the Palestinian Mandated area and created TransJordan they did so, while technically within the articles of the Mandate itself (from memory article 25/26?), but not within the intent of the Mandate. Therefore, in my view, the clause that the Jewish Homeland (now Israel) should be for the Jews, but not deny the rights of non-Jews, has, in the case of the arab muslims, been met with Jordan.

There is a two-state solution in place : Israel and Jordan
What we are talking about is further stealing of the Jewish Homeland into a three-state solution. Just because a number of people call a rose a horse, does not make it so.

The “Palestinians” (except for the Christians living there) are occupying Judea/Samaria and Gaza. What muslim arabs were there are a result of massive ethnic cleansing and genocide of the Jews and Christians in the 7th Century by the barbaric islamic imperialists. At the time of the British Mandate, the area was not controlled by arabs either - it was the Ottoman Empire.

Anyway, this is far too complex for here. My stand on this issue is :
NO to a 3 state solution
ALL muslim arabs out of Israel/Judea/Samaria and Gaza.

 

[truthseeker888]

Crissee,
You seem to think it was wrong for the Muslims living in Gaza, etc once committed genocide on Christians and others in the 7th century.
What do you think of the Jews in Israel today committing genocide on the Muslims in Gaza today. For 2 years now, they have been starving and committing crimes against humanity and killing muslims and keeping them in concentration camps. Do you think that is o.k. since by reading your reply you obviously are biased for the Jews.?

 

[chrisse]

Crissee,
You seem to think it was wrong for the Muslims living in Gaza, etc once committed genocide on Christians and others in the 7th century.
What do you think of the Jews in Israel today committing genocide on the Muslims in Gaza today. For 2 years now, they have been starving and committing crimes against humanity and killing muslims and keeping them in concentration camps. Do you think that is o.k. since by reading your reply you obviously are biased for the Jews.?

I think I have a real problem with the term genocide being used when the actual population has increased dramatically. You’ve got a weird definition of genocide

Further, the population explosion in Gaza is due to aid $$$$ that would be better spent helping REAL persecuted people elsewhere rather than enabling these people to reproduce and indoctrinate from babyhood future killers.

Further, I do not support their policy of wiping Israel off the map - that would be a REAL genocide, and would achieve the muslim aim of the completing the Final Solution, which Hitler failed to do with their eager assistance in WW2.

Peace bro

 

[Rleng616]

Crisse,

Thank you for your reply.

I am humbled by your knowledge of history. Your thoughts are well laid out and based on historical fact.

I must admit, the more I learn about Islam, the more concerned I become about peace in the world. All of this killing by Muslims in the name of something “holy” is horrifying. The sight of the Marriott attack in Islamabad bothered me for days – and then Mumbai.
Bob

 

[chrisse]

Crisse,

Thank you for your reply.

I am humbled by your knowledge of history. Your thoughts are well laid out and based on historical fact.

I must admit, the more I learn about Islam, the more concerned I become about peace in the world. All of this killing by Muslims in the name of something “holy” is horrifying. The sight of the Marriott attack in Islamabad bothered me for days – and then Mumbai.
Bob

Yes, Bob, that’s why we must all stop being lazy about what we think we know, and find out for ourselves. That’s what I did about 2 years ago, and I realised how ignorant I actually was of what was happening in the world.

Never to late to start though

God Bless

 

[Muslim_Woman]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

… I realised how ignorant I actually was of what was happening in the world.

good to know u want to know about the Truth

What is the lesson to be learned from the Holocaust?

An interview with Hedy Epstein

“I am a Holocaust survivor and I will ‘never again’ return to Israel.”

11/01/08 "ICH "

informationclearinghouse.info/

 

[chrisse]

In the name of Allah , Most Gracious, Most Merciful

Salaam/peace

good to know u want to know about the Truth

What is the lesson to be learned from the Holocaust?

An interview with Hedy Epstein

“I am a Holocaust survivor and I will ‘never again’ return to Israel.”

11/01/08 "ICH "

informationclearinghouse.info/

Thank you, Muslim Woman, and I hope you open your eyes to the Truth and let YHWH into your heart soon. Bless you.

The last part of your post is rather insignificant, don’t you think?

 

[Rleng616]

To Muslim Woman.

Thank you for your link -
informationclearinghouse.info/ I enjoyed some of the headlines and articles but, IMHO, they are overall as slanted as a lot of stories on Fox, CBS, NBC and ABC.

The headlines and articles remind me a lot of the “doom and gloom” stuff that I read in my anti-establishment hippie days of the 1960’s.

Bob