Pan-Amazon Synod Was a Done Deal 5 Years Ago

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And the big looming question in mind mind both as a mom and as a catecheist is: once everything in the article comes to pass, how in the world will we catechize our children and our parish youth?? Because some of the girls will aspire to be deacons & some of the boys will “feel called” to both marriage and priesthood. And what then? What’s a catechist to say? “Sorry, even though it’s happening in parishes near you, God actually CAN’T be “calling you” to those vocations. But by the way, ask any catechist in another diocese/parish/country and you’ll get a different answer.” Heaven help us!!
 
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Well, the article is at this point just Fr. Raymond de Souza’s opinion. He could be wrong, and I hope he is.
 
Select women have been groomed and used on a trial basis the past two decades. They are in the shadows waiting for the green light.
Nothing is happenchance when it comes to goings on in the Church.
 
As Moses said to the Israelites:
Exo. 14:13 And Moses said to the people, “Fear not, stand firm, and see the salvation of the Lord, which he will work for you today; for the Egyptians whom you see today, you shall never see again. 14 The Lord will fight for you, and you have only to be still.”
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I keep waiting for this moment. We await the real surprise St. John Henry Newman speaks off (mirroring Moses’ words above):
Christianity has been too often in what seemed deadly peril, that we should fear for it any new trial now. So far is certain; on the other hand, what is uncertain, and in these great contests commonly is uncertain, and what is commonly a great surprise, when it is witnessed, is the particular mode by which, in the event, Providence rescues and saves His elect inheritance. Sometimes our enemy is turned into a friend; sometimes he is despoiled of {70} that special virulence of evil which was so threatening; sometimes he falls to pieces of himself; sometimes he does just so much as is beneficial, and then is removed. Commonly the Church has nothing more to do than to go on in her own proper duties, in confidence and peace; to stand still and to see the salvation of God.
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Well that’s not quite true. The Church already has married priests and has since the earliest centuries. We can debate whether it’s prudent to ordain more married men to the priesthood… but no Catholic can deny that it’s a valid option.
Women deaconesses is a different matter. They existed in the early Church… but I think the general consensus is that they were a distinct order, not women who happened to be deacons.
 
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The scam is so obvious it shows they’re not just in bad faith, but incompetent as well. I love the guy, but Pope Benedict really blew it by fleeing and leaving the flock to the wolves (hindsight is of course 20/20).
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I wonder how he’s taking all this. :confused: I got a really bad feeling when he resigned, but I thought it was only because the idea of a pope resigning was foreign to me.
 
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Well that’s not quite true. The Church already has married priests
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I should have specified that I’m Latin Rite. I know the Eastern Rites and Anglican usage have married priests. In the Latin Rite the priesthood is traditionally presented as a concurrent choice for celibacy. I suppose someone could switch rites just so they could marry and become a priest but I’ve never heard of anyone doing that…
 
I wonder, too, how he Pope Emeritus is taking it all. Can you imagine if he had regrets about his choice? What an awful burden to live with if it were the case!
 
Right, but if the Latin Church changes the discipline, or grants a dispensation for a particular case, then a man could truly be called to both vocations.
 
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Right, but if the Latin Church changes the discipline, or grants a dispensation for a particular case, then a man could truly be called to both vocations
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Yes but the article posted by the OP outlines a situation where it becomes common to act against the “rules” but have Pope Frances look the other way - thereby letting it happen but still having it be unlawful. I think that could be very confusing to young people.
 
Why would anyone do this deliberately if they believed in the Gospel?
 
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Could be. I suppose for me of all the controversial topics discussed before and at this synod, married priests is the issue I’m least concerned about.
 
If I recall correctly, both in the Latin Rite and in the Eastern Rites, priests cannot marry.

In some cases, married men may become priests, but priests cannot marry. And bishops are selected only from the celibate priesthood.
 
I’d bet more than a few paychecks he sees it now as the mistake it was. Better the Pope you know than the Pope you don’t know.
 
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some of the boys will “feel called” to both marriage and priesthood. And what then? What’s a catechist to say?
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Perhaps instead of using the word “called”, we can start using the word “qualified”. I mean this is how St. Paul describes the means for selecting clergy in the New Testament. I never particularly liked the word “called” when describing somebody’s vocation. It implies somebody is “entitled” to something. I don’t think any man is entitled to be both married and a priest. I also don’t think a celibate man is entitled to be a priest just because he is celibate.
 
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