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Bluegoat
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Mick Jagger often has that bulge problem, I’ve noticed. I’ve often wondered if it’s genuine.
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Lainey63
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I’m still enjoying this thread.
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jmcrae
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Are you talking about past times? Because we live in the modern world, today. Dinner doesn’t take all that long to cook - not more than an hour, usually, and most of that time is just spent waiting for things to heat up, during which the woman can accomplish all kinds of other tasks. Lunch is usually something cold that can be put together in just a few minutes, because even if the husband and children are coming home for lunch, they typically don’t have more than an hour or so, including travel time - they get off at noon, and are expected to return to school or work by one.
We don’t live in a world where there are men always around. Do you imagine that women just stand there, if there is nobody there to open the door, or to carry her packages, etc.? If the oil in the car needs changing, and the man of the house is away on a business trip, should the woman just remain housebound with no groceries until he returns, perhaps next week some time? No - she has to change the oil herself, and then she carries on with life as usual.
Women are not required to be completely helpless until a man comes to their rescue. They need to be self-sufficient, because even married women are sometimes left on their own to look after things at home.
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Jesus_123
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Hi RedSoxWife . . . thanks much! for the above referenced site . . . you consistently come up with some of the best reference material . . . There are many varied levels of sanctity through which we all can grow . . . *day by day *. . . *year by year *. . . as God’s children . . . **St. Padre Pio **. . . certainly entered into a depth and height of sanctity in his holy walk with our Wonderful God . . . that most souls can only dream of here on earth . . . I love the quote from St. Bernard of Clairvaux below that was referenced on the second level of the site you sent us to . . .
"How beautiful then is modesty
and what a gem among virtues it is."
St. Bernard of Clairvaux
Confessor and Doctor of the Church
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*Much to pray about . . .:bible1: **1 Timothy 2:8-10 **“I will therefore that men pray in every place, lifting up pure hands, without anger and contention. In like manner women also in decent apparel: adorning themselves with modesty and sobriety, not with plaited hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly attire, but as it becometh women professing godliness, with good works.”
. . . all for Jesus+
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EvelynEVF
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Was Padre Pio doing face to face confessions? It would make sense to me if he personally did not want to spend time in close proximity to women who were not covered. I guess he wasn’t just sitting in the confessional box, because then he wouldn’t see them to check skirt length. Anyway, I think he was right to guard his eyes if he knew he had that weakness.
I mostly wear long skirts, but occasionally shorts and rarely pants. Still, since I always do face-to-face confession, I will always wear a long skirt for that, or for spiritual direction with a man.
But I don’t think we need to generalize from these specific settings.
I mostly wear long skirts, but occasionally shorts and rarely pants. Still, since I always do face-to-face confession, I will always wear a long skirt for that, or for spiritual direction with a man.
But I don’t think we need to generalize from these specific settings.
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JSSebastianoP
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As a matter of fact, I was talking about the past, but even today a good Italian meal can take a rather long time to cook. And if you’re cooking for a lot of people (as in the example) that adds even more dome just due to sheer volume. And yes lunch can be something heated up but who’s going to do it if all the women are painting? Even then, it’s still a big meal (albeit only for half as many people). And what about other things like cleaning clothes or grocery shopping?
Right - but that should be the exception, not the norm. Have you ever heard of an exception defining the norm?
That is true, especially in the case of young widows for example.
Pax.
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slyboots
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As a woman, wife, mom and grandmother I have done ALL those things in a skirt. Believe me when I say I have done almost everything in a skirt. No I have not been an astronaut.
Funny thing. Even on this site where I am surrounded by mostly fellow Catholics I often feel that they get the biggest kick out of those of us who are more conservative or more traditional.
I used to have a cross stitched picture I made that was hung in our home. It said “Some people find fault as if it was buried treasure.” It seems like it’s applicable here.
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Bluegoat
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OK, I’ve never posted an image, I hope it works. These are apparently the most proper shoes to wear with a tux.
OK, I can’t get my links to work at all, if you google men’s pumps tuxedo you’ll get the place with the picture, it’s called Manolo.
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Marfran
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Right on sister!!!! So what do the “traditional” lost-in-time men on this thread think about going back to the days of Jesus and putting on a skirt themselves. If pants are immodest, they are more immodest on MEN. Jesus didn’t wear pants, so how come you guys in the year 2009, who are telling women that they can’t wear them, are wearing them yourselves?
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Marfran
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He lives in a time gone past and thinks that if he can get ALL the women in the world to wear dresses (or at least the ones in his town and on this forum), then he can magically turn the clock back to the** era in history **that he is so fond of. The dude needs to find a time-travel machine, because suiting up the women in 2009, in June Cleaver dresses, is just not gonna happen. And if he finds that time-travel machine, I’m gonna quick press the buttons on him, and send him back to a **different **period of history–before pants were even invented–so that he can wear a dress too!!!
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Marfran
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I don’t know how to post photos either.
So these pumps for men are patent leather and have a bow. So who is doing the cross-dressing??? The guy wearing the patent leather tuxedo pumps with the bow, or the woman wearing the patent leather pumps with the bow??? Or are shoes gender-neutral irregardless of heel height or bows or other adornments??? And pants? Gender neutral??? And skirts??? Gender neutral??? (Jesus wore a skirt.) What’s male and what’s female attire must be **related to the period of history **in which you live.
IF we give men’s shoes a name like Manolo, does that give them the masculine credentials needed to clarify which gender thery are for? Maybe we can solve this discusssion by calling women’s pants by a more feminine name–how about: pantelletas or pantellistas?
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adstrinity
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This, I trust is the picture? These are the men’s pumps that came up.
As for the hakama, yes, that might work. It’s long, and, therefore, modest enough…it doesn’t have the weighted sporran, which looks like decoration and would draw my eye there.
This, I trust is the picture? These are the men’s pumps that came up.
As for the hakama, yes, that might work. It’s long, and, therefore, modest enough…it doesn’t have the weighted sporran, which looks like decoration and would draw my eye there.
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Bluegoat
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Yes, that is the kind of shoes, though some are more shiny.
I think sporrans are a bit suggestive too, I’m glad to see it wasn’t just my sick mind!:
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Marfran
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OK, what’s with the hakama? Is that something that both men and women would wear???
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Marfran
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OK, now what does JSSebastianoP think of these pumps??? Do you have a pair? Would you wear a pair?
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adstrinity
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Link to post 297: forums.catholic-questions.org/showpost.php?p=5452484&postcount=297
Hakama traditionally was worn only by men over their kimono’s. I think the Wikipedia article said it’s now worn by men and women.
Bluegoat, no, it definitley wasn’t just you. It’s right over a man’s crotch, it’s fuzzy; one HAS to look. It’s like a commedian I watched 20 years ago said, “I love ties. Look where they point.” The tie, also, has a way to lead the eye to look at that area.
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theistgal
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This has to be, hands down, the most bizarre comment I’ve ever read on Catholic Answers. And I’ve been here for a while.
(and adstrinity, just to clarify - it wasn’t you who said it, but the priest you were quoting.)
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Marfran
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I never thought of this!!! Makes total sense!!! A man, if feeling that his masculinity is in question, should just put on a tie. And, I guess a woman could wear a tie too, to point to the area of her body, that produces children–in case someone was questioning her too.
JESUS never wore a TIE, so it must be **wrong for men of today **to wear ties, and to bring attention to the area which the tie points to.
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Marfran
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YES, this WAS A PRIEST who said this, and apparently believes this!!!This has to be, hands down, the most bizarre comment I’ve ever read on Catholic Answers. And I’ve been here for a while.
(and adstrinity, just to clarify - it wasn’t you who said it, but the priest you were quoting.)
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adstrinity
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No offense taken anyway.This has to be, hands down, the most bizarre comment I’ve ever read on Catholic Answers. And I’ve been here for a while.
(and adstrinity, just to clarify - it wasn’t you who said it, but the priest you were quoting.)
Forgive me if my logic is incorrect, but: “theistgal”; am I correct to assume that you are female?
And, your Religion is: Byzantine Catholic, that means, that you are under the authority of the Pope, but, your Divine Liturgy is more like that of the Orthodox? It’s an older form where one uses one’s entire body in worship, yes? I thought dresses/skirts would be most in use here.
theistgal, if all of my above assessments are correct, does any woman wear pants to your Divine Liturgy?
(And, come to think about it, at an AAC Church I attended for language lessons after Divine Liturgy, my teacher would often be in a pant suit, the same one she wore to the Badarak.)
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