Pants

[Celtic_FC]

Male of female…don’t get caught with your pants down.

 

[puzzleannie]

I don’t see colleen hammond listed as one of the editors of the Catechism, or as a NT writer, so my guess is she can safely be ignored. I will add a personal observation, no woman should ever leave the house in pants until she has looked at herself, front and back, in a full length mirror in good light. If every woman did that tomorrow sales of proper foundation garments would sky-rocket.

 

[Karin]

I don’t see colleen hammond listed as one of the editors of the Catechism, or as a NT writer, so my guess is she can safely be ignored. I will add a personal observation, no woman should ever leave the house in pants until she has looked at herself, front and back, in a full length mirror in good light. If every woman did that tomorrow sales of proper foundation garments would sky-rocket.

can I take this one step further…
no man should ever leave the house in pants until he has looked at himself, front and back, in a full length mirror in good light. If every man did that tomorrow sales of proper sized pants and gym mmemberships would sky-rocket.

 

[rpp]

can I take this one step further…
no man should ever leave the house in pants until he has looked at himself, front and back, in a full length mirror in good light. If every man did that tomorrow sales of proper sized pants and gym mmemberships would sky-rocket.

Hum hum, doo dee doo, dum dum. Oh excuse me, are you talking to me?

When men look at men, or themselves, they generally stop at the neck. I know many men who have checked themselved out in a mirror then happily headed out with a spots on their shirt and their underwear hanging out of their open fly. Now that is a look that puts a smile on many a face!

 

[Karin]

Hum hum, doo dee doo, dum dum. Oh excuse me, are you talking to me?

When men look at men, or themselves, they generally stop at the neck. I know many men who have checked themselved out in a mirror then happily headed out with a spots on their shirt and their underwear hanging out of their open fly. Now that is a look that puts a smile on many a face!

 

[puzzleannie]

not to mention sky-rocketing sales of suspenders for men, the single most necessary fashion accessory for men, in my opinion, at least around here.

 

[Mintaka]

Moreover, pants immediately bring ones eyes up, to the apex of the triangle between your legs, to the crotch area.

Or to the butt. Which is endangering all of us women’s souls.

So either way, men have to stop wearing pants to Mass and start wearing kilts again!

looks around

Do you think the men bought it?

sigh

Oh, well. Worth a try.

 

[Viki59]

I had a very nice English teacher in high school who forgot his pants one day – showed up in blazer, shirt, tie and undershorts. Had to go home and recitify the situation.

Poor man. It was hilarious.

 

[Lady_Cygnus]

Is it immoral to wear pants? As a catholic woman I dont think so but I read Colleen Hammonds book on modesty and she seems to think so any takes on this.

A very immoral man once said to me that a dress turned him on because, after all, it is “easier access”. Ever since then I have a lot of difficulty wearing a skirt or dress without a pair of “jogging shorts” or something similar underneath.

As for pants directing men’s eyes to certain areas, that is easily rectified by wearing layers that cover your tush. I tend to wear layers with the top being a long sweater, knit poncho or other type of overshirt that effectively conceals my gluteus maximus.

 

[aspawloski4th]

it seems to be kind of a double standard to me that women can wear pants since men are not allowed to wear skirts.

 

[deb1]

I think that wearing dresses or pants is a personal choice. Some women feel called to wear dresses and that is fine. Other women feel modest in slacks and that is fine.

The good of either choice becomes null though, when we begin to judge one another and demand that everyone make the same choices.

I have not read Colleen Hammond’s book, so I can’t comment. As long as she presents the book as her opinion, I think that she is on safe ground.

I went through a period in which I only wore long dresses(I wear pants now) Guess what? Long skirts are every bit as comfortable as pants, more so. You can do everything in a long enough skirt that you can do in jeans. There are photos of our foremothers from the early 1900’s in which they played tennis, rode horses and biked in long skirts and corsets.

I stopped wearing dresses constantly because I was tired of looking different then everyone else. I also had a woman from my church approach me and start explaining why she wore pants and sleeveless tops. I never thought anything bad about her attire so I was surprised that she felt the need to defend herself. At that point I worried that wearing dresses constantly was somehow being a bad witness and that was another factor in my choice to go back to pants.

 

[SeekerJen]

A very immoral man once said to me that a dress turned him on because, after all, it is “easier access”. Ever since then I have a lot of difficulty wearing a skirt or dress without a pair of “jogging shorts” or something similar underneath.

Yeah, I’ve heard that too. It makes me a little afraid to wear dresses/skirts in public, especially since the amount of attention I receive from men when I wear a skirt skyrockets in comparison to when I wear pants. I’ve had random men come up to me in coffeeshops after Mass and hit on me…but only when I’m in a skirt (mind you, my skirts are of the knee- to mid-calf-length, flowy A-line style, nothing tight). Based on such comments about the “easy access” combined with the many, many comments on these boards about how women’s dress and appearance affects men and causes them to lust, I feel safer in pants. Maybe that’s wrong, but I feel that I attract less attention and thus lead fewer men to lust in pants. If I’m getting so much attention out in public in a conservatively cut skirt, I’m betting I’m distracting men at Mass as well, and that doesn’t seem right.

 

[Mommyof02green]

I’ve never heard of Colleen Hammond, however I did look at the one web-link about her and looked and what her book ‘Dressing with Dignity’ is about.

The one web link had to say this:

-What specifics the Magisterium has given Catholics on fashions and proper dress.

source: valoramedia.com/dignity.html

The only question I have is does her book have an Imprimatur or an Nihil Obstat? To me that would be important seeing the book clams to express what the Magisterium expresses when it comes to fashions and proper dress.

WITHOUT the Imprimatur or Nihil Obstat I would say that this is just one woman’s opinion of what or how “catholics” should dress. WITHOUT the Imprimatur or Nihil Obstat I would say that this is one woman’s interpertation of the Magisterium’s teachings.

We all can have opinions about things…
After all I just gave you my :twocents:

The book just may very well be Ms. Hammond’s :twocents:

Here is another’s persons :twocents: on modest dressing.
sexrespect.com/modesty.html

Personally I agree with sexrespect.com/modesty.html, however that is just my :twocents:

 

[SeekerJen]

Personally I agree with sexrespect.com/modesty.html, however that is just my :twocents:

I’ve always thought that site’s guidelines were very reasonable and offered a lot of flexibility with regard to changing fashion trends.

 

[Tom317]

Yeah, I’ve heard that too. It makes me a little afraid to wear dresses/skirts in public, especially since the amount of attention I receive from men when I wear a skirt skyrockets in comparison to when I wear pants. I’ve had random men come up to me in coffeeshops after Mass and hit on me…but only when I’m in a skirt (mind you, my skirts are of the knee- to mid-calf-length, flowy A-line style, nothing tight). Based on such comments about the “easy access” combined with the many, many comments on these boards about how women’s dress and appearance affects men and causes them to lust, I feel safer in pants. Maybe that’s wrong, but I feel that I attract less attention and thus lead fewer men to lust in pants. If I’m getting so much attention out in public in a conservatively cut skirt, I’m betting I’m distracting men at Mass as well, and that doesn’t seem right.

I find it a sad that women choose to dress in a manner that causes them become part of a homogenous mess of humanity with extremely little difference in external appearance between genders.

 

[Melchior]

Is it immoral to wear pants? As a catholic woman I dont think so but I read Colleen Hammonds book on modesty and she seems to think so any takes on this.

Yes. But slacks are fine.

I think with all things we consider the principles of modestly and femininity and maculinity. I don’t think a woman should dress as a man and vice versa. Nor should their be gender ambiguous clothing. We have enough fallout from feminism as it is. But I think most women where womens pants so I don’t think it is an issue. In church however, I think we should follow the conservative protestant model of dressing in our best for God. For women I would think that would mean a skirt or dress. But is more of a respect issue than a obedience issue.

You wouldn’t where a cocktail dress to your wedding. Use the same principle of what is the most apporapriate thing to do in other social settings.

 

[Karin]

In church however, I think we should follow the conservative protestant model of dressing in our best for God. For women I would think that would mean a skirt or dress. But is more of a respect issue than a obedience issue.

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LOL!
Well this gal does not own any dresses or skirts:thumbsup: …I do own slacks/pants/trousers(whatever you want to call them)…you know these things
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/eccStoreFront/stp/product_images/21476/F_21476_1.jpg

 

[Tom317]

it seems to be kind of a double standard to me that women can wear pants since men are not allowed to wear skirts.

That might be changing (sadly)…a couple weeks before Christmas I was at the mall and saw a man wearing a skirt while shopping, it was NOT a kilt. An older woman and I noticed the man and gave each other quizacle and frankly disgusted looks. While that is only one person, it does seem to me that our society is blurring the lines between genders.

 

[Karin]

That might be changing (sadly)…a couple weeks before Christmas I was at the mall and saw a man wearing a skirt while shopping, it was NOT a kilt. An older woman and I noticed the man and gave each other quizacle and frankly disgusted looks. While that is only one person, it does seem to me that our society is blurring the lines between genders.

maybe this poor guy was confused about his gender

 

[Tom317]

maybe this poor guy was confused about his gender

I suspect you are correct, yet I think there is quite a bit of that going around.

As for the OP, I don’t think there is anything wrong with men and women wearing pants, yet I cannot help but feel it would be nice to have some clear external differences and those differences seem to be blurred when we all dress similarily.