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[lak611]

tisk tisk tisk, it has nothing to do with sexual attraction my overly simple friend. not every one born physically male like rough housing, G I Jo, tonka trucks, and NASCAR. some like flowers, bubble baths, romance novells, and the softer things in life, just by their nature. by the way I do agree homosexuals need to live chaste life styles, but gender identity and sexual attraction are no more related to eachother than burlap and butter.

I am not overly simple! And just because a male does not like sports, rough-housing, etc. does not mean he has a right to change his body to become a fake female.

 

[aspawloski4th]

I am not overly simple! And just because a male does not like sports, rough-housing, etc. does not mean he has a right to change his body to become a fake female.

while there was no intenetion to insult, I have grown tired of the over simplification of this issue, I have a friend since grade school days who has been dealing with all the stuff ascociated with gender identity disorder, and yes this friend lives as a male and finds it very hard and is not well adjusted , and this friend is not homesexual!!! like some seem to imply!!! I was always taught by adults as a child " its what inside that counts" but when it comes to gender identity that ideal is suddenly thrown way far out the window, and Ive got to say Im very sick n tired of it! the prevailing attitude twards this issue is very shallow and superficial to the max. try walking a mile in someone else’s shows before giving broad blanket judgements.

 

[lak611]

gender identity and sexual attraction are 2 separate aspects of human personality not mutually exclusive. not every one born physically male like rough housing, G I Jo, tonka trucks, and NASCAR. some like flowers, bubble baths, romance novells, and the softer things in life, just by their nature. by the way I do agree homosexuals need to live chaste life styles, but gender identity and sexual attraction are no more related to eachother than burlap and butter.

I am female and happen to like sports. That does not mean that I want or need to change my body and become a male. There have been plenty of men throughout history who are artists, poets, etc. who have NOT needed to change their bodies. Similarly, there have been plenty of women throughout history who have been athletes, construction workers, and even soldiers (St. Joan of Arc for instance) who have not needed to change their bodies either. Just because a person does not enjoy activities that are stereotypically associated with his/her sex does not mean that he/she needs to artificially make himself/herself into the opposite sex.

 

[aspawloski4th]

I am female and happen to like sports. That does not mean that I want or need to change my body and become a male. There have been plenty of men throughout history who are artists, poets, etc. who have NOT needed to change their bodies. Similarly, there have been plenty of women throughout history who have been athletes, construction workers, and even soldiers (St. Joan of Arc for instance) who have not needed to change their bodies either. Just because a person does not enjoy activities that are stereotypically associated with his/her sex does not mean that he/she needs to artificially make himself/herself into the opposite sex.

first st joan of arc lived as a man for a number of years while not changing anything because the technology was not there to do so. but if if some one was to do what she did in reverse we’d be hearing how awefull how sinfull, thats the double standard. the things I mentioned are out ward examples of masulinity and femininity, I should stuck with the intrinsic. intrinsically not everyone feels they are in the right body.

 

[deb1]

First, discussing transvestite is off issue.

But I have to agree with lak on this one. What does it matter if a person does not fit in with society’s norms of genderhood. My sister is defintly more masculine then her hubby. When she was growing up, people would tell her that she was a tomboy. She always responded with a very healthy, “No, I am just me.”

Part of maturing is to become comfortable with who you are.

My youngest son came to me alarmed. He wanted to know what was wrong with him. He liked to read, and draw. I assured him that the measure of a man is how good a human he is and how he upholds his morals, not whether he can burp the loudest.

Today’s society has a narrow view of malehood. This is unfair to all.

 

[Julian_Peters]

Thank you to all those who have participated in this discussion. This thread is now closed.