pap smear! nervous!

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I would say I have found bad men and bad women for this. THe best I had was a nurse-practitioner, who was not the most gentle ever (though very good) but she was so nice and interesting. She also showed me my cervix, which was neat.

I would ask though, if you aren’t ever sexually active, why they want to do the smear, or if it is just more of a general pelvic health exam. Cervical cancer is almost always caused by HPV virus, which is an STD.
 
I just had my first a few months ago, at my first obstetrician’s appointment. I was tempted, while waiting for the doctor to come in, to flat-out refuse – but when he did come in, he was extremely nice and understanding, and admitted up-front that he knows he doesn’t know everything about women. (He was like, “I know how you feel – actually, I don’t really.”) The one thing that made it okay was that I had my husband in the room. So I just looked at him and told the OB about how excited we were about the baby, and I was pretty much able to ignore what was going on “down there.”

It did kinda hurt though. No fun. I’m glad I didn’t bother having them every year when I was single like you’re supposed to … because without my husband there, I would have been terrified.
 
I just had my first a few months ago, at my first obstetrician’s appointment. I was tempted, while waiting for the doctor to come in, to flat-out refuse – but when he did come in, he was extremely nice and understanding, and admitted up-front that he knows he doesn’t know everything about women. (He was like, “I know how you feel – actually, I don’t really.”) The one thing that made it okay was that I had my husband in the room. So I just looked at him and told the OB about how excited we were about the baby, and I was pretty much able to ignore what was going on “down there.”

It did kinda hurt though. No fun. I’m glad I didn’t bother having them every year when I was single like you’re supposed to … because without my husband there, I would have been terrified.
The protocol has recently changed - if you have a certain number of clear paps (2 I think), and aren’t changing sexual partners, it is every two years.

My doctor recently told me that if the new HPV vaccines really reduce the number of abnormal smears, then it may affect the way they check for cervical cancer - something to do with comparing the cells, which I guess is important?

I think they need to get tri-corders like on star trek. No need to even get undressed.
 
I would say I have found bad men and bad women for this. THe best I had was a nurse-practitioner, who was not the most gentle ever (though very good) but she was so nice and interesting. She also showed me my cervix, which was neat.

I would ask though, if you aren’t ever sexually active, why they want to do the smear, or if it is just more of a general pelvic health exam. Cervical cancer is almost always caused by HPV virus, which is an STD.
I turn 21 in a few days… if you’ve been sexually active for three years, or turn 21 it is recommended that you get a pap smear. I would have loooooved to have waited a while, but my nursing program starts back up in Feb and i need a medical clearance.
 
Are pap smears morally permissible? Are they not against chastity? Doesn’t only a husband have such bodily rights over the wife’s most intimate parts?
 
Are pap smears morally permissible? Are they not against chastity? Doesn’t only a husband have such bodily rights over the wife’s most intimate parts?
Not at all. A husband has rights over his wife’s sexuality, true. There is nothing remotely sexual about medical tests, though, any more than there is in a mother or a nurse cleaning a child’s or a patient’s private parts when they cannot do so for themselves. It is a task that needs to be done like any other medical or nursing task.

Medical treatment and testing, even of our ‘intimate parts’, is critically important for good health, and getting tests such as pap smears and pelvic exams is only good stewardship of the bodies God gave us.

Just like eating healthily, exercising, taking medication when required and so on. Taking care of our health, including our gynaecological health, shows respect to God who gifted our bodies to us.

He cares about our health - look at how many sick He healed!
 
Are pap smears morally permissible? Are they not against chastity? Doesn’t only a husband have such bodily rights over the wife’s most intimate parts?
Trust me, this is not a sexual experience in any way shape or form. And unless DH can screen for cancer and deliver a baby, stitch you up afterwards, you might want to consider a pro, educated in the matter.
 
Are pap smears morally permissible? Are they not against chastity? Doesn’t only a husband have such bodily rights over the wife’s most intimate parts?
Yes pap smears are morally permissible because they are medical care, not sexual.

By your line of thinking, any obstetric or gynecological care (including care during birth) would be off limits, as well as prostate and other urological care for men. Spouses have exclusive sexual rights, it doesn’t mean a medical professional is not allowed to see or touch those parts in the course of medical care.
 
I wish the 2nd OP had started a new thread. This one is 3 years old. I hope people don’t start responding to the OLD OLD first OP.

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Are pap smears morally permissible? Are they not against chastity? Doesn’t only a husband have such bodily rights over the wife’s most intimate parts?
Well, many women go to another women for their health care needs, be it an OB/GYN, family doctor, nurse practitioner, nurse midwife) instead of seeing a male doctor. Ignoring your health is not a prudent thing to do! As someone else already stated, unless the husband can catch a baby at birth, repair any possible tears, and do screening for cancer and other problems…who do you think is going to care for a women? Even Ron Conte with his “no education for women” theory believes in female Ob/GYNs, even if it’s just for the modesty issue.

Sorry Juliana, I know I responded to an old thread, but I just couldn’t resist…😉
 
Are pap smears morally permissible? Are they not against chastity? Doesn’t only a husband have such bodily rights over the wife’s most intimate parts?
No and I certainly hope that you are having yours as there can be issues if left untreated can lead to infertility.
 
Well, many women go to another women for their health care needs, be it an OB/GYN, family doctor, nurse practitioner, nurse midwife) instead of seeing a male doctor.
So then that would be equivalent to homosexual activity with Germania’s line of thinking. :rolleyes: If you don’t acknowledge that medicine is different than sex, you will get yourself all bent out of shape.

Anyway, I think we’ve covered this, but like LightBound, I just couldn’t resist.
 
Even Ron Conte with his “no education for women” theory believes in female Ob/GYNs, even if it’s just for the modesty issue.
I’ve never said women cannot or should not have an education. Women can get advanced degrees and become doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc.
 
I’ve never said women cannot or should not have an education. Women can get advanced degrees and become doctors, lawyers, scientists, etc.
Forgive me Ron, but on your website you stipulate that’s it’s against the Bible and Church teaching for a women to be in a position of any kind of authority over any man. This would include sharing and teaching her knowledge in the medical, legal, and academic world, would it not? Therefore, she would be “teaching” adult men and in the legal realm (especially police work) she would be in a position of authority of all sorts of males. Any female that is a doctor, lawyer, or scientist is going to be in position of authority over a male at some time in her career. Those careers don’t lend themselves to only being in a position of authority over women only.

Would you mind clearing this up? I’ve posted the link to your site and also have cut and pasted the section in question below:

catholicplanet.com/women/roles.htm

from your website:

"Our society and culture teaches that men and women should have much the same roles in their lives. Modern secular culture treats men and women as if they were meant to be interchangeable parts in society. Men and women are given nearly the same roles in our society today. There are even laws making it illegal to give certain jobs only to men. Women have become political leaders, religious leaders, heads of corporations and other organizations, even soldiers and law enforcement officers. Such is the teaching of our culture. But it is not the teaching of Christ.

“Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.” (1 Tim 2:11-12)

God did not give women a place, in the Church, the family, or society, to teach men or to have authority over men.

Links: A Woman’s Place | USCCB | headship and women in office | Women keep Silence | Women and Leadership in the Church | But I Suffer Not a Woman to Teach…Over a Man (part one) - (part two) | Let Women Keep Silent in Churches

The above quote from Sacred Scripture is often misinterpreted. All manner of convoluted and implausible interpretations have been given, the effect of which is to nullify the meaning of this passage. If any interpretation of a passage from Sacred Scripture has the effect of making any part of Scripture null and void, that interpretation is null and void, for “Scripture cannot be broken” (Jn 10:35). The aim of these mistaken interpretations is to try to make the passage fit the teachings of modern secular society, or to make some type of compromise between the teachings of Scripture and those of society.

Sacred Scripture clearly teaches that God gives men and women different roles in the Church, the family, and society. Men are intended by God to be teachers and leaders in the Church, the family, and society. Women should not have any kind of teaching role over adult men. Women should not have any kind of leadership role over adult men.

Women may teach and lead children, both boys and girls (even into the teenage years). God gave women the ability to become pregnant, to carry and give birth to children. In this way, God gave women also the primary role in teaching and leading children.

Women may teach and lead other women. An older and wiser woman may be a leader and teacher over other women, especially if they are younger or less knowledgeable than she. But it is not right for a young woman to take a role teaching or leading much older women, (unless those older women are mentally-disabled)."

Perhaps you really meant just in areas of religion…if that’s the case, perhaps you should revise your personal interpretations on your site…
 
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