Papa Ben's Novus Ordo 2.0

[SJP]

From Creative Minority Report: creativeminorityreport.com/2008/07/marketing-new-new-mass.html

Follow the link and check out the poster at the bottm of the page, it’s hilarious!

If someone can figure out how to post it, please do.

Marketing The “New” New Mass!

When I heard the report at the end of last week that Pope Benedict has asked the Congregation for Divine Worship to study some potential changes to the liturgy, I got very excited. Think about all the possibilities! Think about what the Mass could be, rather than what it often is. The abuses and experiments, gone! The tawdry celebration of self, gone! Latin back in its proper place! Gregorian Chant! The priest’s magnificent back on glorious display!

The more I thought about it the more excited I became and the more I started wondering how would such a change be successfully introduced to the faithful? How could we not only have the faithful accept the changes to the mass, but actually desire them? To want them, need them, can’t live without them?!?

Then like a light bulb, I realized there is no need to re-invent the light bulb. We should use some tried and true methods that have proved their effectiveness over generations. We should use some ol’ fashioned marketing techniques to sell the new New Mass to the masses!

Now I know what you are thinking. “Patrick, we have no idea what the new New Mass of the masses will look like or even if there will be a new New Mass.” I say, don’t bother me with such minutiae. We need to build anticipation, we need to build hype, we need to build overwhelming demand! Therefore, let’s move full steam ahead with some advance marketing!

First, we need a good product name. Fortunately, I took care of that for them the other day when I dubbed the new New Mass, Novus Ordo 2.0. I know, I know. Stroke of genius that.

But now we need a marketing campaign sell the Novus Ordo 2.0. As you know, any good marketing plan starts with good packaging. So I decided that I should to help ante-deluvian dolts in the Vatican marketing department out. Therefore I have issued, motu proprio, the first great marketing campaign of the “Reform of the Reform” era. I give you Papa Ben’s Novus Ordo 2.0!

This idea is a surefire winner, don’t you think? Well, I have to go now, the Pope should be calling any minute.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

HA!

 

[PatrickJT914]

Cute, but I don’t think it’s all that funny.

 

[JReducation]

Please tell me this is a bad joke.

JR

 

[saint_rafael]

Watch Modernism squirm.

 

[PatrickJT914]

Watch Modernism squirm.

Hi saint rafael,

You know what I interesting and a little funny?

But before I tell you. Let me say I try to charitable in my posts. That I mean no disrespect to any one individual. As a Youth Ministry/Confirmation Catechist I will often tell my kids of how proud, happy, loved, joyful, supportive, I am of them.Sometimes I will read or recall from memory a scripture verse.“Let no one have contempt for your youth, but set an example for those who believe, in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity.” 1 Tim 4:12 (NAB) If we are strongly on opposites sides of an issue. I will tell them although we may disagree I would rather you take an opposite stand than take no stand at all. Don’t be apathetic.

Now with being said I’m going to ask some questions that are meant for information purposes only. Not as an attack on you. Are you ready?

How can you at 25 know about modernism? Liberalism? Traditionalism?
How did you find out about these?
Did someone else tell you? Did you read it from somewhere, if so what was the source?
Do you go to a EF Mass only?
Have you ever attended a OF?

 

[ethelzguy]

Hi saint rafael,

You know what I interesting and a little funny?

But before I tell you. Let me say I try to charitable in my posts. That I mean no disrespect to any one individual. As a Youth Ministry/Confirmation Catechist I will often tell my kids of how proud, happy, loved, joyful, supportive, I am of them.Sometimes I will read or recall from memory a scripture verse.“Let no one have contempt for your youth, but set an example for those who believe, in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity.” 1 Tim 4:12 (NAB) If we are strongly on opposites sides of an issue. I will tell them although we may disagree I would rather you take an opposite stand than take no stand at all. Don’t be apathetic.

Now with being said I’m going to ask some questions that are meant for information purposes only. Not as an attack on you. Are you ready?

How can you at 25 know about modernism? Liberalism? Traditionalism?
How did you find out about these?
Did someone else tell you? Did you read it from somewhere, if so what was the source?
Do you go to a EF Mass only?
Have you ever attended a OF?

 

[Sepharad]

What will the “new” new mass be called? Novus novus ordo? OOF?

So far in my studies I’ve heard Novus Ordo Missae (or “Bogus Ordo Missae” by the sedevacantists, lol)…Ordinary Form…I can’t wait to see what the next new term will be.

I recently dug out my mom’s old (OLD!) Missal from the 1930s, because I was researching an encyclopedia entry I’d read which said that the Jewish Kaddish prayer was incorporated into the Gloria and Sanctus of the Roman Rite Mass (the Jewish encyclopedia was copyright 1964, so I knew which Mass they meant.)

While looking through the pages containing the Mass, I could not help but reflect on the sheer beauty of that liturgy…and to ponder how your church could have tossed it by the wayside as they did at first (and they might have left it there if not for the traditionalists who kept the issue going these past 40 years!)

 

[ethelzguy]

What will the “new” new mass be called? Novus novus ordo? OOF?

So far in my studies I’ve heard Novus Ordo Missae (or “Bogus Ordo Missae” by the sedevacantists, lol)…Ordinary Form…I can’t wait to see what the next new term will be.

I recently dug out my mom’s old (OLD!) Missal from the 1930s, because I was researching an encyclopedia entry I’d read which said that the Jewish Kaddish prayer was incorporated into the Gloria and Sanctus of the Roman Rite Mass (the Jewish encyclopedia was copyright 1964, so I knew which Mass they meant.)

While looking through the pages containing the Mass, I could not help but reflect on the sheer beauty of that liturgy…and to ponder how your church could have tossed it by the wayside as they did at first (and they might have left it there if not for the traditionalists who kept the issue going these past 40 years!)

No matter what they come up with, you can bet somebody will complain.

One thing I’ve learned at CAF. You can post ANYHTING that you believe or believe in, and somebody will tell you what’s wrong with it.

 

[estesbob]

Watch Modernism squirm.

What is a modernist? I thought this was quite funny but to be frank I was expecting the TLM advocates to get upset as they rarely have a sense of humor

 

[estesbob]

What will the “new” new mass be called? Novus novus ordo? OOF?

So far in my studies I’ve heard Novus Ordo Missae (or “Bogus Ordo Missae” by the sedevacantists, lol)…Ordinary Form…I can’t wait to see what the next new term will be.

I recently dug out my mom’s old (OLD!) Missal from the 1930s, because I was researching an encyclopedia entry I’d read which said that the Jewish Kaddish prayer was incorporated into the Gloria and Sanctus of the Roman Rite Mass (the Jewish encyclopedia was copyright 1964, so I knew which Mass they meant.)

While looking through the pages containing the Mass, I could not help but reflect on the sheer beauty of that liturgy…and to ponder how your church could have tossed it by the wayside as they did at first (and they might have left it there if not for the traditionalists who kept the issue going these past 40 years!)

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Are you an Orthodox Jew? Do you keep kosher? Or have you thrown some things by the wayside yourself?

 

[saint_rafael]

I support the Holy Father doing anything he can to make the New Mass traditional, but in the end it is a road to nowhere.

Like the saying goes, you can put lipstick on a pig and dress it up, but in the end, it still is a pig.

Why do you need a new Mass for a new Mass? A reform for a reform?

If the New Mass had been great, there would be no reason for another New Mass.

The Novus Ordo Mass of 1970 was a miserable failure, a revolution, and brought in a watered down Protestant flavor that gave us a Protestantized faith.

Restoration of the TLM as the only Mass is the only way to fix the crisis in the Church and liturgy.

 

[Sepharad]

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Are you an Orthodox Jew? Do you keep kosher? Or have you thrown some things by the wayside yourself?

I can’t think of anything I have “thrown by the wayside” that is meaningful in traditional Judaism, nor would I. And yes, I keep strictly glatt kosher, to answer your question.

 

[saint_rafael]

How can you at 25 know about modernism? Liberalism? Traditionalism?
How did you find out about these?
Did someone else tell you? Did you read it from somewhere, if so what was the source?
Do you go to a EF Mass only?
Have you ever attended a OF?

25 is not exactly an infant or child.

Priests were being ordained to priesthood at this age over forty years ago when we actually had seminarians packing the seminaries with real faith and belief in orthodoxy.

Men were starting their families at this age and so on. This is beyond the college years.

I hold a B.A. and have studied Catholicism and Christianity at the University level.

I know about Modernism and traditionalism by extensive study of Church history, doctrine, and dogma. I read various Trad newspapers and magazines and have read all materials ranging from Modernist, liberal, concervative, Trad, neo-Catholic, and even the Sede people.

Catholic theologians and saints have warned about the threat of Modernism for decades.

I have read and recommend the writings of the Popes from the late 19th and early 20th centuries because they understood Modernism better than anyone.

The Syllabus of Errors from Pope Pius IX
Pascendi Dominici Gregis encyclical of Pope Pius X are the two biggest documents against Modernism.

I grew up with the Novus Ordo my whole life, but started attending the TLM, the Mass of all time, last year. Deo Gratias

 

[EasterJoy]

“…The abuses and experiments, gone!..”

If Rome could prevent abuse and experimentation by fiat, they’d probably start with the ones against chastity.

I know that sounds flippant, but let us be honest, here. You will have more parishes doing Mass in a particular way if the Pope makes it a point to pay attention to that, don’t get me wrong. But gone? I don’t think so. Not in a country wall-papered with “Question Authority” bumperstickers.

 

[estesbob]

25 is not exactly an infant or child.

Priests were being ordained to priesthood at this age over forty years ago when we actually had seminarians packing the seminaries with real faith and belief in orthodoxy.

Men were starting their families at this age and so on. This is beyond the college years.

I hold a B.A. and have studied Catholicism and Christianity at the University level.

I know about Modernism and traditionalism by extensive study of Church history, doctrine, and dogma. I read various Trad newspapers and magazines and have read all materials ranging from Modernist, liberal, concervative, Trad, neo-Catholic, and even the Sede people.

Catholic theologians and saints have warned about the threat of Modernism for decades.

I have read and recommend the writings of the Popes from the late 19th and early 20th centuries because they understood Modernism better than anyone.

The Syllabus of Errors from Pope Pius IX
Pascendi Dominici Gregis encyclical of Pope Pius X are the two biggest documents against Modernism.

I grew up with the Novus Ordo my whole life, but started attending the TLM, the Mass of all time, last year. Deo Gratias

I’ll Bet You Read the New Oxford Review. I’ll bet you would be surprised to know that I do to.

 

[I_Believe]

Watch Modernism squirm.

Hi saint rafael,

You know what I interesting and a little funny?

But before I tell you. Let me say I try to charitable in my posts. That I mean no disrespect to any one individual. As a Youth Ministry/Confirmation Catechist I will often tell my kids of how proud, happy, loved, joyful, supportive, I am of them.Sometimes I will read or recall from memory a scripture verse.“Let no one have contempt for your youth, but set an example for those who believe, in speech, conduct, love, faith, and purity.” 1 Tim 4:12 (NAB) If we are strongly on opposites sides of an issue. I will tell them although we may disagree I would rather you take an opposite stand than take no stand at all. Don’t be apathetic.

Now with being said I’m going to ask some questions that are meant for information purposes only. Not as an attack on you. Are you ready?

How can you at 25 know about modernism? Liberalism? Traditionalism?
How did you find out about these?
Did someone else tell you? Did you read it from somewhere, if so what was the source?
Do you go to a EF Mass only?
Have you ever attended a OF?

Well now, that didn’t take long

 

[cspb56]

St. Rafael,

I think it’s great that at 25 you have done the amount of studying you have. However, reading about it and living it are two entirely different things. Just as I know about the depression, I cannot appreciate those times and what life was like because I was not around then. Same with the church. Unless you actually lived the pre-council church you cannot understand it. Certainly by no means were things bad back then, just different. The church is constantly changing whether we like it or not. For a while yes some things were lost (exposition, stations, etc) and not because the council said stop because it didn’t and not because a few priests decided to stop them. The people them selves stopped coming. Those early days were not only great turmoil in the church but in society. The “establishement” (church, government, etc) were all despised and abandoned by many (a whole other story). I worked in parishes during those times as a musician/liturgist and believe me we tried everything we could think of to get people to come out for the devotions…and they just didn’t. By the mid 80’s we just gave up. But low and behold in the last few years as people age especially they beging to see the value of some of the “old” ways and now we see popular devotion making a nice come back. Believe me, the attendance drop and participation in devotions had already begun before the council. Change is inevitable and mostly unwanted and just when we think things are ok something else will come about. The Holy Spirit knows what he’s doing so we all have to stop playing God and let God take care of things. Remember the documents of the council are magesterial teaching and therefore must be obeyed. There are always problems after councils which take decades to overcome. The church will survive as it has for 2000 years, if it doesn’t than everthing christians have believed for 2000 years is a joke…and I think this in not the case. PAX

 

[estesbob]

St. Rafael,

I think it’s great that at 25 you have done the amount of studying you have. However, reading about it and living it are two entirely different things.

He evidently has a very idealistic that the view of how the Church used to be. I’m afraid he would be in for a huge disappointment if we did go back to Tridentine Latin Mass as absolutely none of the problems the church faces today would go away.

The other problem is that he and others like him tend to eqaute the state of the Church with what is going on the United States and other Western industrialized countries. Many of the problems we face here are not a problem in Latin America, Africa or the Far East.The problem is not that language that it is dais in or even the format of the mass. The problem is the ongoing attack on the church by secular humanism.

 

[JReducation]

St. Rafael,

I think it’s great that at 25 you have done the amount of studying you have. However, reading about it and living it are two entirely different things. Just as I know about the depression, I cannot appreciate those times and what life was like because I was not around then. Same with the church. Unless you actually lived the pre-council church you cannot understand it. Certainly by no means were things bad back then, just different. The church is constantly changing whether we like it or not. For a while yes some things were lost (exposition, stations, etc) and not because the council said stop because it didn’t and not because a few priests decided to stop them. The people them selves stopped coming. Those early days were not only great turmoil in the church but in society. The “establishement” (church, government, etc) were all despised and abandoned by many (a whole other story). I worked in parishes during those times as a musician/liturgist and believe me we tried everything we could think of to get people to come out for the devotions…and they just didn’t. By the mid 80’s we just gave up. But low and behold in the last few years as people age especially they beging to see the value of some of the “old” ways and now we see popular devotion making a nice come back. Believe me, the attendance drop and participation in devotions had already begun before the council. Change is inevitable and mostly unwanted and just when we think things are ok something else will come about. The Holy Spirit knows what he’s doing so we all have to stop playing God and let God take care of things. Remember the documents of the council are magesterial teaching and therefore must be obeyed. There are always problems after councils which take decades to overcome. The church will survive as it has for 2000 years, if it doesn’t than everthing christians have believed for 2000 years is a joke…and I think this in not the case. PAX

Very true, very wise and very consistent with our call to holiness. We must work with the Holy Spirit rather than create battles and build camps.

Fraternally,

JR