Papal oath?(REAL?)

[sancte_joseph]

Was there really ever a papal oath? if so what was it?
why did they stop using it? when did they stop using it?

 

[Genesis315]

One was supposedly used at certain points. There is a text floating around on some websites, but there is no authoritative evidence at all as to its accuracy.

Honestly, I never understood the purpose of oaths to do things that one has an existing duty to do anyway. Why would someone who was unscrupulous enough to receive an office intending to not fulfill its duties (and/or to do outright evil instead) feel bound any more to an oath?

 

[Dauphin]

There is absolutely no evidence that this Oath was ever used at any Papal coronation.

I don’t even think it’s a very beautiful oath; it wouldn’t be fitting.

 

[EasterJoy]

There is absolutely no evidence that this Oath was ever used at any Papal coronation.

Even if it were, the Pope is installed as head of the Church immediately upon election, not at his coronation as monarch of the Papal States. Besides, the Pope’s fidelity to Sacred Tradition is guaranteed by the Holy Spirit’s guidance upon the electors, not on any oath the Pope takes.

 

[sancte_joseph]

well…yea i thought it was weird why would a pope need an oath like the president…i heard (read) that there use to be a papal oath…but what can you expect from people who seperate from the church…just seems like more protestanism

 

[peary1]

Even if it were, the Pope is installed as head of the Church immediately upon election, not at his coronation as monarch of the Papal States. Besides, the Pope’s fidelity to Sacred Tradition is guaranteed by the Holy Spirit’s guidance upon the electors, not on any oath the Pope takes.

There are no Papal States, and haven’t been since 1870.

 

[EasterJoy]

There are no Papal States, and haven’t been since 1870.

Vatican City is an independent nation under the dominion of the Holy See, but it makes sense to me that the coronation has been dropped.

 

[Lhhs]

i thought there was an oath that recently popes stopped using.

 

[Pax_et_Caritas]

Here’s the Papal Coronation Oath. John Paul II is said to have been the first Pope on over 1100 years not to take the Oath. I don’t know of Pope Benedict took it.

Papal Coronation Oath: Liber Diurnus Romanorum Pontificum, P.L. 105, S 54.

   "I vow to change nothing of the received Tradition, and nothing thereof I have found before me guarded by my God-pleasing predecessors, to encroach upon, to alter, or to permit any innovation therein; 

    "To the contrary: with glowing affection as her truly faithful student and successor, to safeguard reverently the passed-on good, with my whole strength and utmost effort; 

    "To cleanse all that is in contradiction to the canonical order, should such appear; to guard the Holy Canons and Decrees of our Popes as if they were the divine ordinance of Heaven, because I am conscious of Thee, whose place I take through the Grace of God, whose Vicarship I possess with Thy support, being subject to severest accounting before Thy Divine Tribunal over all that I shall confess; 

    "I swear to God Almighty and the Savior Jesus Christ that I will keep whatever has been revealed through Christ and His Successors and whatever the first councils and my predecessors have defined and declared. 

    "I will keep without sacrifice to itself the discipline and the rite of the Church. I will put outside the Church whoever dares to go against this oath, may it be somebody else or I. 

    "If I should undertake to act in anything of contrary sense, or should permit that it will be executed, Thou willst not be merciful to me on the dreadful Day of Divine Justice. 

    "Accordingly, without exclusion, We subject to severest excommunication anyone -- be it Ourselves or be it another -- who would dare to undertake anything new in contradiction to this constituted evangelic Tradition and the purity of the orthodox Faith and the Christian religion, or would seek to change anything by his opposing efforts, or would agree with those who undertake such a blasphemous venture."

 

[GerardP]

Besides, the Pope’s fidelity to Sacred Tradition is guaranteed by the Holy Spirit’s guidance upon the electors, not on any oath the Pope takes.

This is not true. The Pope will be preserved from error only when he exercises his authority in a defining matter on an issue of faith and morals, only when he says he’s doing so with the authority of Peter and he intends to bind all of the faithful of the world to it.
That’s the only guarantee the Holy Spirit provides. The Pope’s fidelity is solely a matter of his free will.

As a theologian or private person the Pope can teach error as John 22nd did from the pulpit and he took years to recant his error.

 

[Timothysis]

Here’s the Papal Coronation Oath. John Paul II is said to have been the first Pope on over 1100 years not to take the Oath. I don’t know of Pope Benedict took it.

It would appear that the whole thing is a fraud.

"The Traditionalist Catholic sources that give the Papal Oath also claim, without citing any source, that all popes from Saint Agatho, who in the Liber Diurnus text is spoken of as already dead, to Pope Paul VI pronounced this text in the course of their coronation ceremonies. The fact that the Liber Diurnus was forgotten for centuries is a difficulty against this account.

The detailed account of the coronation of the nineteenth-century Pope Leo XIII that can be consulted at this site makes no mention of the taking of this particular oath, or of any coronation oath, by the Pope.

In fact, all evidence of papal coronations, including that of Pope Paul VI on 30 June 1963, which was the last, excludes the taking of any oath by the Pope in the course of the ceremony. The claim that Pope Agatho and his immediate successors took the alleged oath at their coronation ceremonies is also evidently false: popes of that time had neither crown nor, in consequence, coronation "

Full article here:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_Oath_(Traditionalist_Catholic)