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Why is it that as of 1964, the Pope has abandoned the Papal Tiara and has settled for a Bishop’s mitre instead?
Basically, this. Although…not quite. Paul VI laid his Tiara on the Altar of St. Peter’s at the conclusion of the Second Vatican Council, supposedly in keeping with the overall humility of it. Still, he explicitly instructed that his successor be crowned…but John Paul I, who many people believe was absolutely terrified by the Papacy (in addition to being an extremely humble man in his own right), decided against it. John Paul II said the following about the Tiara when he was installed:Since the Papal State were no longer, the idea of the having a tiara seemed over done. Pope Paul VI thought it was unnecessary.
You have to consider that this was a very shocking time for the Church, after a Pope had just died 33 days into his reign, and when Communism was very much emboldened and was attacking religion and western society as being hypocritical, and using those attacks to strengthen its own position with the poor people in many places. And then, of course, you have the fact that John Paul II himself was quite humble as a person, and had a character very much suited to his role as an involved church leader in Poland (he always wore a pair of brown workman’s shoes, even during his Papacy).The last Pope to be crowned was Paul VI in 1963, but after the solemn coronation ceremony he never used the tiara again and left his Successors free to decide in this regard. Pope John Paul I, whose memory is so vivid in our hearts, did not wish to have the tiara; nor does his Successor wish it today. This is not the time to return to a ceremony and an object considered, wrongly, to be a symbol of the temporal power of the Popes. Our time calls us, urges us, obliges us to gaze on the Lord and immerse ourselves in humble and devout meditation on the mystery of the supreme power of Christ himself.
Yes, of course. I perhaps should note that I have nothing against the tiara or, for that matter, against the sedia gestaoria. I rather like both, not for their “imperial” aspect, but for other reasons which I shan’t go into in detail.Well, the above is true, but the tiara was worn in processions. So when the Pope was entering the Basilica, he would wear a mantum (basically a long cope) and tiara.
Yet John XXIII did not, nor did Paul VI at his coronation. The Papal States were history in 1958 just as in 1963 at Paul VI’s election. I wonder what happened after that?Since the Papal State were no longer, the idea of the having a tiara seemed over done. Pope Paul VI thought it was unnecessary.
Yes … one of his many restorations.Worth pointing out that Benedict did restore the mantum:
Except you see that a good foot of it was horrifically chopped off at the bottom to make it a cope.Worth pointing out that Benedict did restore the mantum:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-IeY6U-yZ9...s/2012/12/Pope_Paul_VI_wearing_the_mantum.jpg
I don’t know how “horrific” it was … perhaps better that way than to have him trip on it and break his neck? Maybe I’m way off, but it seems to me that a restoration is a good thing, even if it’s modified a tad for practical reasons. Just saying …Except you see that a good foot of it was horrifically chopped off at the bottom to make it a cope.
Considering what came from the two prior pontificates (I’m leaving the 33 days of John-Paul I out here ), I’d posit that it’s a lot more than halfway.Benedict has probably taken us halfway along the path of restoring full ceremony.
Depends, I guess. And one can hope. We’ll see who is elected. Might be more, might be a lot less, We should have a better idea in the next few weeks.Hopefully the next Pope will continue the trend.
Actually JPI probably did more damage to Papal ceremony in his short pontificate than any of the others.Considering what came from the two prior pontificates (I’m leaving the 33 days of John-Paul I out here ), I’d posit that it’s a lot more than halfway.![]()
Abortion is horrific. Shortening a liturgical garment is a matter of preference.Except you see that a good foot of it was horrifically chopped off at the bottom to make it a cope.
Abortion is horrific. Shortening a liturgical garment is a matter of preference.
So, when, in your view, will be the appropriate time? How many more decades will be deny the church the splendor and regard it deserves? Even if you believe this is a time for penance, don’t you see a problem that we grant more dignity, more ceremony, etc. to secular heads of state than we do to the successor of St. Peter, and the Vicar of Christ?Considering the world wide scandals that continue to hit the church, I think it would be ill-advised to bring back the tiara…
Our Lord Himself was crowned with thorns due to our sins. Crowning a pope with a tiara just seems in not the thing to do, considering the sins of many of the heirarchy at this point in time.
The Church, the Bride of Christ, is suffering from deep wounds that have been inflicted from within, from within Her own.
This is a time for penance, not ceremony, IMO.
Was Our Lord any less dignified with a crown of thorns???So, when, in your view, will be the appropriate time? How many more decades will be deny the church the splendor and regard it deserves? Even if you believe this is a time for penance, don’t you see a problem that we grant more dignity, more ceremony, etc. to secular heads of state than we do to the successor of St. Peter, and the Vicar of Christ?
Did he prevent himself from being anointed with expensive oils, that could have been sold for a large sum, and the money given to the poor? No, he did not. And he rebuked those who suggested he should have.Was Our Lord any less dignified with a crown of thorns???
At the same time, He didn’t command that He be anointed. He chose to do it out of courtesy. Christ, despite the fact that He was God, was an example of humilty and generosity that we should all imitate.Did he prevent himself from being anointed with expensive oils, that could have been sold for a large sum, and the money given to the poor? No, he did not. And he rebuked those who suggested he should have.