Parents’ ‘Sex Ed Sit Out’ Protesting Forced Gender Ideology in Schools Spreads Across Country

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Friend, I’m from Australia and see no reason to “fight”. I’ve presented facts, which you don’t agree with; which is your right.

And frankly I find your desire to drag children along to a fight distasteful. I would never being children who have been harmed by schools denying their gender along to settle a petty score.

I see no reason to fight when we can simply discuss this like adults. 😊
 
Trickypixie said:
Not sure what this is talking about. Please, keep to the seriousness of the topic. This woman is sick and needs to be corrected.
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Many topics are being discussed at once. If it helps you can see what a person was replying to by clicking the icon at the top right of the post. This is why replying directly to a post and using the quote feature helps.
 
A quantitative claim should have quantitative evidence rather than qualitative/speculation.
 
I would just like to remark that I feel so fortunate to live in a time where people are striving for better understanding of these issues. Maybe everything isn’t done correctly all of the time, but I do believe that education is what it is all about. Biology is important to understand. Human nature is for people to fear what they don’t understand. Fear can breed all kinds of unfortunate behavior. Examples are bullying of others, and being so unkind to each other. I don’t think it is ever too young to teach children that everyone is unique and nobody should try to define anyone but themselves.

I remember being a normal 5 year old. Very interested in the differences between the sexes, and noticing when someone seemed “off” with regards to all of it. I had no clue what was different, only that something was. If someone had said, honey that is someone that was born a boy but he feels like a girl so he wears a dress, then what harm would that have been? I honestly don’t see anything wrong with explaining these things to kids. Kids are typically very observent. By explaining differences, we encourage understanding. I say do it before a bunch of prejudice has a chance to build from the adults around them.

I don’t buy that any of this education throws a child into questioning their own gender or sex. Think about who you are. If you are a woman who doesn’t have any of these issues, is there anything anyone could say to you to convince you that you feel like a man? Of course not. That isn’t how it works, and common sense should tell each of us that.
 
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QwertyGirl said:
Zero that you knew about.
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In my school it would have been impossible to keep an unwed pregnancy a secret. The girl would have been removed to a home for unwed mothers and the child most likely placed for adoption. She would have reappeared the following school year. But her friends would know, and if anyone knew, everyone knew. But that never happened, because no one got pregnant; they knew how not to get pregnant, often making use of the word “no.” Abortion was unavailable, but even if a doc could be found to do the deed, it would inevitably have become known.
 
With all due respect, you sound sort of naive. Of course there were pregnancies, and if you didn’t know about them it was because they were most likely aborted using any one of a number of techniques.
 
The same in my school. We knew about the homes for unwed mothers but none of the girls I grew up with got pregnant. While trying to convince Americans that abortion should be legalized, it was pointed out that only the rich could afford to go to Mexico to get an abortion.
 
edwest211 said:
The same in my school. We knew about the homes for unwed mothers but none of the girls I grew up with got pregnant. While trying to convince Americans that abortion should be legalized, it was pointed out that only the rich could afford to go to Mexico to get an abortion.
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I’m afraid that backalley abortions are a thing. A very dangerous thing. People didn’t need to go to Mexico.
 
Yes, I know about back-alley abortions. But the American people were lied to in order to get abortion through the Supreme Court as opposed to the will of the people. And women do sometimes die from legal abortions.
 
Some of the remarks in this thread are distrubing, in that they reveal some of our posters really are clueless about things like how teenage pregnancies were dealt with in yesteryear. Yikes. I though Roe vs. Wade was something every school kid learned about in the 70’s and beyond. And if you were done with school prior to Roe vs. Wade, then that would mean you lived through the case as an adult and should know better.
 
edwest211 said:
Yes, I know about back-alley abortions. But the American people were lied to in order to get abortion through the Supreme Court as opposed to the will of the people. And women do sometimes die from legal abortions.
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Actually legal abortions have a lower risk than giving birth.
 
Maximilian75 said:
Paul McHugh: Transgender Surgery Isn't the Solution - WSJ

But it may well contribute to suicide…
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Far from contributing to suicide, surgery appears, according to a new study, to improve the quality of life for 75% of transgender people:
A team at University Hospital in Essen, Germany, followed 158 transgender women patients for a median of more than six years after their surgery. They found approximately 75 percent of patients showed improved quality of life after their procedure. The results were unveiled last month at the annual European Association of Urology Conference in Copenhagen.

“It’s very important that we have good data on quality of life (QOL) in transgender people,” Dr. Jochen Hess, the study’s lead author, told NBC News. “They generally suffer from a worse QOL than non-transgender population, with higher rates of stress and mental illness, so it’s good that surgery can change this, but also that we can now show that it has a positive effect.”

The study’s subjects were transgender women aged 18 years or older, with a mean age of 50, who had undergone gender-affirming surgery at the University Clinic in Essen between 1995 and 2015.

Participants were each sent a set of questionnaires through the mail that sought to measure their quality of life following surgery. One of the questionnaires — the Essen Transgender Quality of Life Inventory — was specifically developed by the Essen team for this purpose. Dr. Hess said the new questionnaire is “the first specific validated tool for measuring [quality of life] in transgender patients.”

The newly developed tool asks a total of 30 questions, with topics including body image, discrimination, physical health and family acceptance. Among the survey’s findings was that three women in four were able to have orgasms after reassignment surgery.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc...ntly-improves-quality-life-study-says-n862361
 
My Catholic high school taught about it (Roe vs. Wade), as part of both history class and religion class. In sex education class we learned about what abortions were.
 
@trickypixie Please tone down your posts. I can tell you’re passionate, but your tone doesn’t aid discussion. Many other posters here have been able to present their own stance against gender theory without coming near the verbal venom you use. When we debate without care taken for our tone, we argue against ourselves. Just something to consider.

@Alex337 A poster earlier mentioned, in short, that they saw a contradiction between “men can do traditionally women’s stuff and vice versa” and transgender ideology. You mentioned that you thought you had cleared it up. Personally speaking though, I haven’t seen such a clarification. I’ll admit I might have passed over it or not have realized it was your explanation. But for the sake of clarity now, I’ll ask here.

Let’s imagine Carl has XY chromosomes and a male body. (So there’s no genetic ambiguity to sex.) Carl is considering if he’s transgender. What can Carl do if he’s a woman and not a man? This is where your position loses me because as society has broken down traditional gender roles, men are able to do traditionally feminine things. So for Carl, what would change if he decided he was a woman? Are there social things he could do? Or is just* related to the physical transition that Carl would, according to your views, benefit? This is something I’ve tried in general to get an answer on now and then and I’ve never really found a clear answer. And it’s definitely important to understand your answer to it if there’s to be productive discussion.

Putting all that aside, you’ve mentioned how you’re exploring your faith and asking questions. I’ll share that I used to hold a lot of contra-Church ideas such as pro-same sex marriage (I actually wrote a high school paper in favor of it) and pro-gender transition among others. For me, some of those changed prior to considering things in light of religion. I used to be pro-choice for example. And with gender transition I thought about the question I posed earlier. Obviously I realized we need compassion, but I couldn’t advocate for the surgery. Other things, like coming to grips with the CC’s position on same sex intercourse, took a look through the lens of religion. I can actually credit the CA Ask An Apologist with that. Two questions I had to ask myself changed my views dramatically.
Is Jesus the ultimate authority on right and wrong? I answered “yes.”
So which church did he found? As I’m Catholic, I think you know my answer.
So while I don’t know they way you’re going about your journey of questioning, I just want to offer some advice. Start basic. As basic as asking yourself which Church is the one founded by Christ. I wish you peace with your questioning and that God will guide you.
 
Hello, Vitus.

I’m currently on my lunch break and on my phone still, so please excuse any mistypes. I will try to give these questions the detailed response they deserve but thumbs rarely make for the greatest of intellectual replies 😊

In the case of Carl there are a few things that would need to be addressed, part of that being how they feel about their body. Depending on how their dysphoria presents they may want hormones or other interventions or they may be able to cope with it without such, much like how depression can effect people in differing ways where some require more intervention than others.

But I know you’re asking more about the social aspect. In terms of a social transition being called by a name that they feel comfortable with is important, I hate when people get my name wrong let alone if they did it on purpose. Then there’s using the right pronouns, again imagine if people consistently referred to you as the gender you aren’t.

For transwomen being able to wear clothing viewed as feminine is a big thing as well, there is sadly far less acceptance of this in society. So while men and women may be able to do much of the same stuff people who look like men who dress in traditionally feminine clothing can face quite the backlash.

I hope that answers the question?
 
I don’t see a reason that teaching sex ed should be synonymous with teaching gender ed. Not enough suffer gender issues to make conforming to it universsl.
 
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Benadam said:
I don’t see a reason that teaching sex ed should be synonymous with gender ed. Not enough suffer gender issues to make conforming to it universsl.
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It’s usually a very small segment of the unit. And it also covers things like gender presentation. This is particularly useful as it addresses the idea of “girl” things and “boy” things and lets students look at how those ideas impact life.

My particular interest in that is showing how these ideas change over time. Reading was once a manly pursuit, but now we having falling literacy levels in boys because of the view that it’s “girly” and that girly is bad.
 
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