Parents do not approve of the relationship

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Love is a choice, first of all.

And yes, she does need to think about these things. If she ends up in a bad situation, no one can help her…
 
What I’m talking about is if you read almost all posts on marriage in this forum, 99% of responders will say it’s a bad idea and he/she should not pursue it. Very few people will give any support. And it also seems people feed off each other. As the comments go on they get more and more extreme.

The first poster will say maybe you need to consider everything that’s happening, and within a few messages it will be “DON’T MARRY THIS MAN!!” It’s easy to sit at your computer and calmly look at situations without any vested interest. It’s a lot different if you’re IN that situation.

There’s more to love than just a simple “choice”. Can you say you are “choosing” to love your spouse or children or parents? On some level, yes, but on some levels, no. I don’t think people consider love when they reply to these messages. It’s like they look for any negatives and then say call it off immediately!

I’m sure not everyone on this forum before they were married met someone that was a 100% perfect fit for them, their parents, relatives, and friends. Sometimes people do have questions or concerns and the answer is not always “just leave him/her”.
 
Well, it’s not like I’d tell my best friend, “Sure! Yeah! Go for it!” if she was saying things like, “Well, I’m hoping to change him and I’ve never had to support myself/live independently…” Especially if she’s moving to Egypt. Does she speak Arabic? What about conforming to the culture? What about her rights as a woman? And if she’s never lived on her own before…How’s she going to take it while moving to another country? Forget if it’s developing, even moving and marrying in Europe is hard.

It’s not like people say no. The answer is usually to discern. If you’re still worried about your parents’ approval, yes people are going to question your maturity. If you say something like, “I’m still being supported by my family and I don’t really know him that well” there are going to be issues. If it’s, I’m still in college, most people, including a good portion of priests, will advise against it till you’re living on your own.

Plus, I can name at least one case where a poster was encouraged to marry.

And yes, love is a choice. Especially if it’s a spouse. Your children are born from you (unless adopted). You’re born from your parents. Your friends you choose and your spouse even more so, forsaking all others.
 
It seems everyone came down pretty hard on this lady, and they usually do when anyone brings up marriage on this forum. But people seem to forget about love. They just dismiss love automatically, as if people marry based solely on logic and cool calculations.
Well, Phil, when trying to figure out whether one should marry a man who lives in a country that is not friendly to women or to Christians, and a country that gives the woman no rights when it comes to any future children, one had BETTER be logical and make some cool calculations.

Being “in love” does not last. There are periods in most marriages where sometimes you may not “like” the spouse very much, and it is WORK to survive. Having a support system in place to support this Catholic woman in her marriage is essential. Being in an anti-woman Muslim country does not fill this role.

It’s not like she’s trying to figure out if she should marry the guy who lives a few states over. He lives in an anti-Catholic country half way around the world! If they are “in love”, then HE should move HERE and become a citizen. If he is not willing to do that, then I guess he doesn’t love her as much as she thought.
 
You could be right Catholic90. He’s Christian too I believe, so they would be persecuted together. I think she said he is. I guess the point I’m trying to make is that usually people on these boards try to “warn” others of certain issues, and that’s fine, but there also needs to be encouragement, which I find is lacking. People don’t make an effort to become friends with the person in question, they just seem to feel good about themselves for being “hardliners” and “standing up for what’s right”, but you have to do that in a sensitive way, and perhaps consider how you would like to receive this particular advice yourself.
 
I would never encourage my daughter to move to an LDC to marry someone. Even if he is Christian, that does not mean she has rights. If things went wrong, she could move back, but she’d have to leave her babies there.

If my kid’s never had to live on her own in America…How the heck do I expect her to in a place where she may not even speak the language and a place that’s not friendly to women?

Even Christians circumcise their daughters in Egypt-what if she’s expected to allow that, KNOWING it will impact her daughter’s ability to have a healthy sexual relationship within marriage and her ability to bear children?

I know American girls who’ve studied abroad in Kenya and fell “in love” with a guy over there…They get engaged but then she realizes A) She can’t conform to certain cultural expectations, B) his family expects her to move there, C) she doesn’t have as much opportunity and D) she often has to change religions (granted, sometimes it means Catholic, but she finds she doesn’t want to convert and Catholicism there is different than American Catholicism, even if it’s under the same Pope).

“We’ll struggle together!” It sounds so romantic. Not if you have kids and you know you could give them something better within your own country. Not if you have to constantly watch your step.

It’s not a case of us being hardliners. These are real concerns.
 
I know with Egypt that there have been a number of cases of Egyptian men bringing their children from a failed American marriage back to Egypt against US court orders with Egypt refusing to repatriate the children back to the United States. If the marriage fails, Egypt will deport you and you will likely never see your children again.

In Egypt, there have been a series of attacks by Muslims on Christians. Officially, this is illegal but the Egyptian authorities turn a blind eye to it. Christians are frequently blamed for the problems of the country. Persecution of Christians in Egypt is a real problem and you have to be willing to put up with random violence targeted at Christians.

Also, Egyptian (and Middle Eastern families in general) families are VERY big. Meaning that if the family insists that you immigrate to the USA, it will entail bringing extended cousins and uncles with you with the obligation culturally to house them until they get their own house and even beyond. The cultures are completely different with regards to family customs.

Politically Egypt is a dictatorship. The ruler of the country allows elections but the choices is basically for him or against him with him winning no matter what. It is a phony election. The police are known to be brutal and torture criminals. Sometimes, the police are anti-Christian and bring Christians in on trumped up charges and mistreat them. Egypt is not the most stable or appealing country for a Christian to go live. Many Egyptian Christians are trying to leave Egypt because of the persecution that goes on there. Be very, very careful before going to Egypt as a Christian because you will have almost no rights compared to this country. As a woman, you would have even less rights than a man.
 
I know with Egypt that there have been a number of cases of Egyptian men bringing their children from a failed American marriage back to Egypt against US court orders with Egypt refusing to repatriate the children back to the United States. If the marriage fails, Egypt will deport you and you will likely never see your children again.

In Egypt, there have been a series of attacks by Muslims on Christians. Officially, this is illegal but the Egyptian authorities turn a blind eye to it. Christians are frequently blamed for the problems of the country. Persecution of Christians in Egypt is a real problem and you have to be willing to put up with random violence targeted at Christians.

Also, Egyptian (and Middle Eastern families in general) families are VERY big. Meaning that if the family insists that you immigrate to the USA, it will entail bringing extended cousins and uncles with you with the obligation culturally to house them until they get their own house and even beyond. The cultures are completely different with regards to family customs.

Politically Egypt is a dictatorship. The ruler of the country allows elections but the choices is basically for him or against him with him winning no matter what. It is a phony election. The police are known to be brutal and torture criminals. Sometimes, the police are anti-Christian and bring Christians in on trumped up charges and mistreat them. Egypt is not the most stable or appealing country for a Christian to go live. Many Egyptian Christians are trying to leave Egypt because of the persecution that goes on there. Be very, very careful before going to Egypt as a Christian because you will have almost no rights compared to this country. As a woman, you would have even less rights than a man.
I believe a lot of what you’re saying here, but in general it seems a lot of people are focusing on what happens if the marriage “fails”. Why are you assuming it will? That could be used to advised anyone against any marriage. “If your marriage fails, you may not have custody of your children, and you may not be able to see them”. Sometimes a parent in the United States will never see their child following a divorce, given the terms of the divorce. And the divorce rate in the US is probably much much higher than Egypt. It just strikes me as funny that everyone is focusing on that.
 
I believe a lot of what you’re saying here, but in general it seems a lot of people are focusing on what happens if the marriage “fails”. Why are you assuming it will? That could be used to advised anyone against any marriage. “If your marriage fails, you may not have custody of your children, and you may not be able to see them”. Sometimes a parent in the United States will never see their child following a divorce, given the terms of the divorce. And the divorce rate in the US is probably much much higher than Egypt. It just strikes me as funny that everyone is focusing on that.
Before moving to a third world country under a dictator, you need to take into account these things. If you go to a third world country and life is intolerable and he refuses to move back to the USA or if she finds she doesnt want to be in a marriage, she needs to know before hand what her plan is and what she would do. Unlike the USA, even after age 18 (most American divorce agreements end at age 18 for contact/visitation) it could be very impossible for her to ever see her children like in this country. The culture is not the same as the USA and they do not have the same laws as this country. This is why she really needs to consider these questions beforehand so she realizes how much of a pain it will likely be for her if this does not work out for her.
 
Before moving to a third world country under a dictator, you need to take into account these things. If you go to a third world country and life is intolerable and he refuses to move back to the USA or if she finds she doesnt want to be in a marriage, she needs to know before hand what her plan is and what she would do. Unlike the USA, even after age 18 (most American divorce agreements end at age 18 for contact/visitation) it could be very impossible for her to ever see her children like in this country. The culture is not the same as the USA and they do not have the same laws as this country. This is why she really needs to consider these questions beforehand so she realizes how much of a pain it will likely be for her if this does not work out for her.
Just seems a little odd to consider life after a possible marriage failure. I can’t imagine anyone who would think there’s a “good” failure. But I see somewhat where you’re coming from.
 
Just seems a little odd to consider life after a possible marriage failure. I can’t imagine anyone who would think there’s a “good” failure. But I see somewhat where you’re coming from.
Nobody wants failure but the world she wants to enter is different than her American world. In Egypt, woman do not have the same freedoms that they do here. As a tourist, they want your money and dress things up well for you but the actual daily life is different. She will not have the ability to wear and buy whatever clothes she wants like here and culturally her job will be wife and mother who is completely submissive to her husband. The police there do not do much if a man beats his wife and it is a big no-no in that culture to tell her man “Im too tired”.
 
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