"Parish" vs. "Catholic Community of . . . "

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I’ve seen a number of remarks in various threads expressing concern about the usage of "Catholic Community of . . " instead of “parish.” Certainly “parish” is a time-honored usage. However, since “community” and “communion” have the same root, I’m wondering why the objection. My understanding is that “parish” comes from a Greek word meaning “neighbor.” To my way of thinking, “community” is a clearer and more consistent way of identifying those “in union with” (the literal meaning of the word community) the Church. What am I missing? Or is it that the word “community” instead of “parish” has a taint to it because of those who have adopted that usage tend to be on the “liberal” side?
 
In a word, yes.

The usage of faith community by liberals has led to suspicion of the term by conservatives (who make up the majority here), and given it unfortunate connotations. There is nothing inherently wrong with it, and indeed, as you point out, it has its good sides.
 
Our little church in Mountain View, Arkansas, is too small to have a pastor – we couldn’t support a pastor, nor are we large enough to justify assigning us such a scarce resource as a full-time priest.

Our pastor is also the pastor of Saint Peter the Fisherman in Mountain Home, in the next county. He and another priest alternate coming to our church to say mass.

Lacking our own pastor, we are not a parish – we are part of the larger parish based in Mountain Home. So what are we?

We are a Catholic community.
 
Our Catholic Community is the opposite of Vern’s. We are a parish, but we refer to ourselves much more often as a community. Our community serves 4500 families, we have 5 priests & 5 sisters (counting those who also serve in the school). And I agree with the “communion” and “community” relationship ~ it is for that very reason that we refer to ourselves as a community.
 
I think it could be a geographic thing. a territorial parish is all the Catholics residing within the parish boundaries. There can also be parishes formed on other bases, ethnic group etc. Catholic community implies drawing people from a wider area who do not wish for whatever reason to attend their territorial parish.
 
I think it could be a geographic thing. a territorial parish is all the Catholics residing within the parish boundaries. There can also be parishes formed on other bases, ethnic group etc. Catholic community implies drawing people from a wider area who do not wish for whatever reason to attend their territorial parish.
That sounds like parish shopping, which is a no-no.
 
I don’t know that there is any law against it, but it sure is common every place I have lived.
You can’t run away from your pastor – which is a shame, since some pastors are worth running from. But that’s how it is.
 
It used to be that one belonged to a territorial parish period. It was the law at one time, but no longer is. It is not uncommon for a few people in a territorial parish to register in an adjacent or nearby one because of personal preference. That being said, I think that the renewed emphasis of the Mass as not only a sacrifice but also a gathering of a “community” of Christians just tickles the mind of some parishes more than others and so they adopt it as part of their name. I wouldn’t even venture to say it is a sign of rampant liberalism, but except in a particular instance who really could say.
 
I would never have thought that the use of the word “community,” when speaking about a home parish, would spark controversy, but then, there is an EDIT element within the Catholic Church and this forum, that I never knew existed before joining this forum.

Before coming to CAF, I considered myself to be rather conservative. 🙂

Jim
 
I would never have thought that the use of the word “community,” when speaking about a home parish, would spark controversy, but then, there is a neo-con element within the Catholic Church and this forum, that I never knew existed before joining this forum.

Before coming to CAF, I considered myself to be rather conservative. 🙂

Jim
“Neo-con?” Do you mean “Jewish?”
 
Neocon= Jewish?🤷

Jim
“Neo-conservative” is a perjorative term originally coined to denegrate Jews who “jumped the reservation” and supported Conservatives because they perceived Liberals as not supporting Israel.

Since then, it has been used to offend and insult any conservative – regardless of his personal beliefs, or when they were acquired.

Modern conservatives, as you know, are ideologically descended from Clssical (18th and 19th Century) Liberals. They would agree with such famous Classical Liberals as Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin – and their beliefs are not new-found.
 
You can’t run away from your pastor – which is a shame, since some pastors are worth running from. But that’s how it is.
Of course you can. If one is not being spiritually fed by their priest, one has every right to find a parish where they ARE being fed. Yes, some priests ARE worth running from, and some ARE worth being chased out.
 
vern humphrey
Neo-conservative" is a perjorative term originally coined to denegrate Jews who “jumped the reservation” and supported Conservatives because they perceived Liberals as not supporting Israel.
I never heard of this and isn’t what I meant.
Since then, it has been used to offend and insult any conservative – regardless of his personal beliefs, or when they were acquired.
I didn’t use it as an insult, just as I believe people who use the term liberal, don’t intend to insult me. I think? :confused:
Modern conservatives, as you know, are ideologically descended from Clssical (18th and 19th Century) Liberals. They would agree with such famous Classical Liberals as Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin – and their beliefs are not new-found.
This would be true of a person like Rep Ron Paul, but not true of people like Cheney or Bush.

Jim
 
I don’t like the whole attitude that implies the mainstream Church is wrong, Rome is wrong, etc etc. Similarly, I don’t really like priests being referred to as community directors rather than parish priests.
 
In a word, yes.

The usage of faith community by liberals has led to suspicion of the term by conservatives (who make up the majority here), and given it unfortunate connotations. There is nothing inherently wrong with it, and indeed, as you point out, it has its good sides.
Laudatur Iesus Christus.

There are several things inherently wrong with the phrase “faith community.”

It is not grammatically coherent in English. It is two nouns stated as a couplet, with no indication of their relationship. It is a nonsense phrase open to several interpretations. It is proffered as a “translation” or short definition of the words “Church” or “Ecclesia.” However, it leaves out several aspects of those ideas that are crucial to the Faith.

This sort of bad grammar is a creeping menace in the language in the English speaking Church. It is a sort of fog corrosive to clear understandings and offering a false sense of agreement. It deceives people into a sense of agreement, because several quite opposing ideas can seem to be captured in the nebulous phrase. This problem is growing worse with each generation. The lack of precision in common expressions is breeding an inability to attain precision, even though mutual understanding and the possibility for love depend upon it.

The word “community” is an inversion of the word “parish.” The two terms are nearly opposite in meaning. A “community” is a settled thing, a group living together. The word “parish” has the opposite sense. It comes from the Greek words “para” and “oikos,” meaning “between or among the houses.” The sense meaning is of a group of transients, those who do not live in the houses with the settled folk, but those who are passing through and living in tents or temporary shelters. A parish is a group of fellow travelers, sojourners. (Some seem to confuse the Greek root of this word with a word made of “peri” and “oikos,” meaning “near the house” and having the meaning of neighboring in Greek. This is not the understanding of the word used by the Greek Fathers.)

Another problem with the word “community” is its shallowness. The Greek word “peroikos” is used in the Septuagint to describe Moses as “a stranger in a foreign land.” The word “parish” ties the Church Militant to the Patriarchs, to Israel in the desert, and to our heavenly homeland as the goal of our sojourn. The phrase “faith community” shaves off this long history and is open to the interpretation that we are happy to stay where we are.

Finally, the phrase is usually dishonest. The groups that use the phrase “faith community” do not usually share any unified “faith” and certainly not the Faith of the Apostles. They are rarely true communities; rather, they are engines of conformity without belief. They hold together, not by loving their members and working to come to shared understandings and beliefs, but by telling dissenters or those who are in pain to go elsewhere, where the “faith” is more to their taste. (This is sometimes done explicitly, by a letter from the Pastor. More often it is done by shunning or ignoring the comments and complaints, or by advising people to be quiet about their discontents.) This does not describe the Church of Christ.

On the other hand, these tensions, which those imperfect in love have always suffered, are much better understood in a group of travelers who are trying to reach the same goal, but all having a long way to go. The word “parish” captures this sense of a loose association, united in goal, but differing as to the best course to that goal. The word “parish” implicitly admits that close bonds of honesty, candor, and true love are rare in the Church Militant – as the Savior told us they would be.

We cannot work on these real problems of the failure of unity, if we do not acknowledge them. If we wish to work toward being a true community, we should not pretend we have reached our goal by awarding ourselves the name before we have finished the work.

Pax Christi nobiscum.

John Hiner
 
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