Parishes in the Diocese of San Diego

[Joe_5859]

Don’t start with that “holier than thou” nonsense. Some new things are good, when they are done right. But let’s be honest, though. Would you want to hear music, at Mass, that’s based after popular secular songs? This is precisely the reason why we have liturgical abuses, out there, such as liturgical dance. What do you expect of me? Am I supposed to just love songs that I think are horrible, and have no place in the Mass, whatsoever? There are many people out there, such as myself, that do not enjoy the bad, contemporary songs that have poisoned some of the current hymnals. I’m not the only one.

I don’t think anyone is saying you have to like those songs (I don’t like many of the present day Schutte, Haugen, Haas, et al hymns either). But this entire tangent could have been avoided by simply not using a disparaging nickname. If you just said that they use Schutte’s Mass setting, which you don’t personally care for, no one would have raised any issue.

 

[Irishmom2]

The Mass of Christ the Savior is called the My Little Pony Mass by many people, because of the melody that the Mass setting follows. Dan Schutte isn’t exactly known to compose decent Church songs. A prime example of one of his worst songs is “City of God.” I’m sure that we can all agree that we’ve certainly heard some awful songs at Mass, at one point or another. For instance, “Let There Be Peace on Earth,” “Go Make A Difference,” or “Lord, When You Came to the Seashore.”

That is your opinion. Fortunately, the Catholic Church does not run on “opinions.”

For the record, I don’t like Gregorian chant. I sometimes tire of hymns at our mass that are pre 1880. But do I mock them or give them nicknames? No. Do I speak of them in terms of being the worst music ever written? No. You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to disrespect what others have deemed music that is fine for mass.

 

[phil19034]

I don’t think anyone is saying you have to like those songs (I don’t like many of the present day Schutte, Haugen, Haas, et al hymns either). But this entire tangent could have been avoided by simply not using a disparaging nickname. If you just said that they use Schutte’s Mass setting, which you don’t personally care for, no one would have raised any issue.

I agree.

Personally, I shutter every time I hear one of Dan Schutte’s hymns. I do not like this Theology, but honestly I don’t like that genera of music either.

In terms of secular, I think most music (Rock-n-Roll, jazz, folk songs, etc) from the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s is terrible. Especially, the folk songs. There are exceptions, but in general I can’t stand that genera of music and that genera has influenced Church music.

Also, from a secular point of view, my favorite kind of music to listen to is classical. I prefer composers from the Baroque, Classical and Romantic periods, and I also love to listen to Church pieces from the Medieval period too - composers like St. Hildegard of Bingen

I’m only 40 years old, but when I’m in the car, I’m either listening to Relevant Radio, Catholic Answers Live, or classical music. I never listen to modern music anymore.

My wife thinks I’m crazy… but I don’t like secular music anymore.

Personally, I wish parishes would have at least ONE mass a week or at least once a month, using solely classical music.

God bless

 

[pianistclare]

I agree.

Personally, I shutter every time I hear one of Dan Schutte’s hymns. I do not like this Theology, but honestly I don’t like that genera of music either.

In terms of secular, I think most music (Rock-n-Roll, jazz, folk songs, etc) from the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s is terrible. Especially, the folk songs. There are exceptions, but in general I can’t stand that genera of music and that genera has influenced Church music.

Also, from a secular point of view, my favorite kind of music to listen to is classical. I prefer composers from the Baroque, Classical and Romantic periods, and I also love to listen to Church pieces from the Medieval period too - composers like St. Hildegard of Bingen

I’m only 40 years old, but when I’m in the car, I’m either listening to Relevant Radio, Catholic Answers Live, or classical music. I never listen to modern music anymore.

My wife thinks I’m crazy… but I don’t like secular music anymore.

Personally, I wish parishes would have at least ONE mass a week or at least once a month, using solely classical music.

God bless

Sounds fine, but the genre of classical music is not suited to a typical Sunday Mass. The Mozart B minor Mass for example, requires a full orchestra, and at least 200 voices. And a 2 full hours of music, during which the laity attending would likely fall asleep waiting for their prayers to begin.
great to listen to on the radio though!

 

[oldgraymare2]

Sounds fine, but the genre of classical music is not suited to a typical Sunday Mass. The Mozart B minor Mass for example, requires a full orchestra, and at least 200 voices. And a 2 full hours of music, **during which the laity attending would likely fall asleep waiting for their prayers to begin. **
great to listen to on the radio though!

LOL!!

I appreciate the levity of your post, Clare.

 

[dshix]

LOL!!

I appreciate the levity of your post, Clare.

I assure you, she was quite serious. And quite correct on that point too, for the most part.

 

[Boy_Wonder]

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Hello. I have a question for those of you in the San Diego area. When I visited for 10 days, not too long ago, the parish that I attended was rather contemporary on a liturgical standpoint. The sad part is that they used the My Little Pony Mass Setting. My question is this: In the Diocese of San Diego, what would be some liturgically traditional parishes (especially parishes that have a Latin Mass) to check out, the next time that I go over there?

St Ann in Barrio Logan has Latin masses. Holy Rosary in Little Italy has conservative and reverent novus ordo masses.

 

[Generic_Name]

Sounds fine, but the genre of classical music is not suited to a typical Sunday Mass. The Mozart B minor Mass for example, requires a full orchestra, and at least 200 voices. And a 2 full hours of music, during which the laity attending would likely fall asleep waiting for their prayers to begin.
great to listen to on the radio though!

I wasn’t aware Mozart had a b minor Mass.

I’ve heard many Mozart (and other) Masses liturgically and in concert performed with choirs of 30-ish (or fewer) voices and small orchestras or even just organ reductions. And many composers, including the famous ones, wrote short Masses (Missa Brevis), quite suitable and accessible for a typical Sunday. Not every, or probably even most classical Mass setting calls for monstrous numbers of musicians.

 

[phil19034]

Sounds fine, but the genre of classical music is not suited to a typical Sunday Mass. The Mozart B minor Mass for example, requires a full orchestra, and at least 200 voices. And a 2 full hours of music, during which the laity attending would likely fall asleep waiting for their prayers to begin.
great to listen to on the radio though!

I respectfully disagree. My Cathedral only plays classical music at every mass with music.

It can be done with just an organist and cantor.

There are plenty of classical Mass Settings designed for just the organ and congregation.

Again, I’m simply asking for 1 mass a week or month using a classical genre type. I totally respect that some people enjoy modern music and that it works for their spirituality. But at the same time, I don’t think it’s asking too much for at least 1 more traditional Mass each Sunday (or at least once a month) for people who have a meditative spirituality.

God Bless

 

[janeway529]

What about in the surrounding dioceses (such as the Archdiocese of Los Angeles or the Diocese of Orange)? Any liturgically traditional parishes, over there, to check out? Someone mentioned St. Victor’s in West Hollywood.

What do you mean by “liturgically traditional” parishes? Extraordinary Form? Almost all the parishes that I’ve been to in the LA Archdiocese, which celebrate the Ordinary Form, are liturgically traditional. They include St. Columban, Christ the King, St. Kevin, Precious Blood, St. Casimir, Immaculate Heart of Mary, Blessed Sacrament, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Angels, Cathedral Chapel of St. Vibiana, etc. Granted, not all of them have a great choir, but the laity try.