Parishioners billed $72,000 for TLM (not a joke)

[universalindult]

None of the 3 priests in my parish celebrate the Tridentine. Yet they already celebrated the normative Pauline Mass at least 3 times each, every Sunday to a packed church. Just exactly where and when would they celebrate the Tridentine?

Eventually, as Cardinal Arinze has stated numerous times, EVERY parish should have at least one Latin mass per Sunday.

Yes, that means replacing one of the OF masses with an EF mass – in every parish world wide.

It will be the norm eventually. Might as well get used to it.

 

[estesbob]

Eventually, as Cardinal Arinze has stated numerous times, EVERY parish should have at least one Latin mass per Sunday.

Yes, that means replacing one of the OF masses with an EF mass – in every parish world wide.

It will be the norm eventually. Might as well get used to it.

I dint know of anyone it owuld bother. However given the shotrage of Priests unless the TLM is as well attended as the other masses it will be hard to justify.

 

[pnewton]

Eventually, as Cardinal Arinze has stated numerous times, EVERY parish should have at least one Latin mass per Sunday.

Yes, that means replacing one of the OF masses with an EF mass – in every parish world wide.

It will be the norm eventually. Might as well get used to it.

Realize that is a little off topic. Not all Latin Masses are TLM.

 

[universalindult]

Realize that is a little off topic. Not all Latin Masses are TLM.

Not yet…

 

[peregrinus_WA]

Eventually, as Cardinal Arinze has stated numerous times, EVERY parish should have at least one Latin mass per Sunday.

Yes, that means replacing one of the OF masses with an EF mass – in every parish world wide.

It will be the norm eventually. Might as well get used to it.

Cardinal Arinze was talking about the Ordinary Form Mass in Latin not the Extraordinary Form.

 

[peregrinus_WA]

Not yet…

And never will be unless you are proposing shoving it down people’s throats that do not want it.

 

[lovesMary]

Good Grief, this thread is an embarrassment to our Church.

 

[pnewton]

Realize that is a little off topic. Not all Latin Masses are TLM.

You still are applying the words of Cardinal Arinze to the TLM, when the Cardinal did not say that. Believe what you will about the future. I will live in the present.

 

[Spiller]

Eventually, as Cardinal Arinze has stated numerous times, EVERY parish should have at least one Latin mass per Sunday.

Yes, that means replacing one of the OF masses with an EF mass – in every parish world wide.

It will be the norm eventually. Might as well get used to it.

Can you provide a URL that gives this quote?

And you have no idea that this will be a “norm.” That’s just personal conjecture.

 

[Yerusalyim]

I would guess most Catholics give 1% or less.

Side bar conversation…but I was always under the impression that in the US it was closer to 3%…with the same being true for MOST Protestants as well.

 

[Spiller]

Side bar conversation…but I was always under the impression that in the US it was closer to 3%…with the same being true for MOST Protestants as well.

Possibly…

Let’s see at 100K per year that’s 3K or $58.00/week. Or at $50K/year income about $26.50/week …

To be honest, 3% sounds high, but you might be correct.

 

[Spiller]

**And how do you know they haven’t? **

Actually, we don’t know that much from the story. For all we know maybe they’re a rowdy group with too much time on their hands. Or maybe they already all gave generously. I don’t see the OF crowd putting in any more than the EF crowd. I think statistically only 20% of Catholic attendees actually contribute, at least from having read most of Church bulletins in my area.

Because the additional costs have yet to be realized! The additional costs have been FORECASTED and they are now being budgeted for, hence the “billing” as some like to call it.

Part of the problem is that people with absolutely zero operational or financial expertise are trying to use emotion (and obfuscation) to sell their notion of a raw deal – AND they lack the background to understand the truth.

Your 20% number needs a reference, otherwise it add nothing to the story.

 

[bobzills]

In a first (a first not only in anti-TLM hubris, but quite possibly a first in the history of Holy Church) the TLM community in the diocese of Portland Maine was billed for their Mass. They are to be charged $72,000 per year, with an initial $18,000 down payment being due on or before July 1st, only a little over 2 1/2 months from the time this is being written.

In the local Church here, there is a list of “suggested offereings” for various Church services and Sacraments such as:
Baptisms, Marriages and funeral Masses. How would suggesting an offering of $72K per year differ much from what has been done and requested already for many years for other Church services?

 

[Like]

FWIW, my parish charges $2K to use just the church for weddings.

We were charged NOTHING for our 50th. Wedding anniversary, but I did give $100 & $75 to the Priest. No Mass, just a small ceremony & nothing charged for the parish hall. I was floored to say the least!

And our weekly collections are never over $9K for 3 Churches, 7 Masses & only 2 priest. Honestly, I don’t know how they do it. I was hoping they might give 1 of the NO Masses up for a TLM, but I don’t think it will ever happen.

 

[Like]

I live in a community where the average household brings in $85K/year. The average envelope in my parish (and of the 2400 families, only 800 take envelopes) contains $15/week. The highest weekly giver hands over $75. Next in line is the guy who gives $40.

This ain’t no way to support the enterprise.

Thats sad! I’m retired with only SS for income & we give $100 a month & $25 to the school, even then I don’t think we give what we should.

 

[Phemie]

Thats sad! I’m retired with only SS for income & we give $100 a month & $25 to the school, even then I don’t think we give what we should.

I count the collection for my parish every week. I know the income of some families giving $5/wk is well over $100K/yr. I’m not originally from the area and couldn’t understand why people give so little until a parish meeting a few months ago. At that meeting it was mentioned that we were a mission parish and that we weren’t expected to pay our own way. While that may have been the case when the parish was founded 50 years ago, about 12 years after the town came into being, we are now one of only 3 parishes in our area of the diocese that can pay their own way. All the rest are truly mission parishes, some with only the occasional visiting priest.

I noticed that after I articulated my astonishment at their perception of themselves as a mission parish and reminded them of just how much money there is in the parish community, that several families doubled the amount in their envelopes.

 

[Phemie]

On the original topic, I understand where the diocese is coming from. My former ‘parish’ was just such a ‘community’, not based on the TLM but on language. Members of our community came from dozens of geographical parishes, some 90 minutes away.

While our expenses were not as high as that 72K, mainly because we worshipped in our own community center and we only paid our chaplain a stipend for each Mass since he received a salary from his full-time hospital chaplaincy, we certainly had to pay for everything we used, the altar, the linens, the consumable liturgical supplies, etc. Members of the community were not particularly generous so when they started talking about petitioning the Archbishop to erect us as a parish and giving us one of the vacant churches in the area, we had to say “OK, fine, it would be great to become a parish with our own church. Now, here’s what you gave last year. That wouldn’t even cover the insurance on the building, let alone heat, electricity, priest’s salary, etc. What are you going to do about that?” I’ve been gone 11 years now, they still aren’t a parish.

 

[ProVobis]

Good Grief, this thread is an embarrassment to our Church.

That, I think, we agree on.

 

[ProVobis]

Your 20% number needs a reference, otherwise it add nothing to the story.

Need I scan all the bulletins I’ve been reading?

But then you’ll probably attack me for providing an erroneous sample, that your sources and opinions are better than mine.

Hey, economy is tough. Time to give it a rest. What’ya say?

 

[mercygate]

Good Grief, this thread is an embarrassment to our Church.

Actually, I hope it is providing an education in the cost of floating the ship. Jesus makes about 7 times more references to money than He does to love. Where your treasure is there will your heart be also – and vice versa?