So then it would be moral and acceptable to not support the parish you attend? I don’t believe that is a choice that many of your traditional leaning attendees would find as acceptable. Since about 20% of our parish gives 70% the income, the loss of only a couple of these more “able” givers would impact the parish as a whole.
Oh I think there is. Again, let’s say the first year for the chaplaincy is Jan-Dec. 2009 and they want $18K in the next 3 months.
I don’t think “traditional leaning” has anything to do with it. But given the tenor of this thread, I am a little curious about the future support of this chaplaincy.
If in doubt, go to the book. I thought this sounded incorrect. According to the precepts of the Church, as outlined in the CCC we are to help provide for the material needs of the Church (not the parish) according to our abilities. If we state that such an action is immoral, we can only do so if this is a teaching of the Church. If a person is convinced that this TLM chaplaincy is critical to the Church, they can in good conscience give to it. If they are able to give less to the parish they will be leaving, I do not think there is anything in Church teaching that says it is immoral.
I do not know that two families would cripple a parish. If so, there are broader problems. What will happen when the new ministry starts and they are gone forever? If a parish has so many families interested in leaving, that priest could always opt to offer a TLM Mass and keep them.
What I’m saying is just what I said. The “older” catholics are more grounded in their faith and do not Have to Have all the smells and bells so it was very few of them that are demanding the TLM. (…doing the wishes of the Pope) . There are more “younger” people that are attracted to the TLM as they say it “seems more reverent”. The reverence really comes only from your own heart.
I have been amazed attending the Fraternity of St. Peter Masses & also with my Parish, where approximately 1/4 of the Parish attends the Latin Mass when it is scheduled. These Masses are overwhelmingly younger Catholics. Perhaps, instead of paying $72,000, the Catholics would be better served by getting a Priest from the Fraternity to open a Parish and thus serve the needs of the Catholics there, instead of paying the extortion fee. That way you would be assured of not having the TLM tainted with the ignorance & ineptitude of that Bishop & his marginal Clergy.
Its not the choice of the Catholics involved, the Fraternity off St. Peter won’t enter a diocese unless they receive an invite from the bishop.I have been amazed attending the Fraternity of St. Peter Masses & also with my Parish, where approximately 1/4 of the Parish attends the Latin Mass when it is scheduled. These Masses are overwhelmingly younger Catholics. Perhaps, instead of paying $72,000, the Catholics would be better served by getting a Priest from the Fraternity to open a Parish and thus serve the needs of the Catholics there, instead of paying the extortion fee. That way you would be assured of not having the TLM tainted with the ignorance & ineptitude of that Bishop & his marginal Clergy.
I don’t think so. You’re supposed to give money to support the church. The amount you give is voluntary. The new chaplaincy is the church just as much as the parish they are attending now. Perhaps they could give a small amount to their existing parish and the bulk of their donation to the new chaplaincy until it’s running. It’s all good, it’s all going to the church.
Well, let them ask their bishop to invite one. That seems like a sensible thing to me.
Hello Bishop So-and-so. We know that you’ve already found a priest for us and set up a chaplaincy for us, but we don’t want it. We want you to bring in a priest from outside the diocese instead. Even though the pope chose you to be our shepherd, we know far better than you how things should be run around here. So hop to it!
I did not say cripple I said impact. There are five cantors (two would opt for the EF if available), six lector 4 female and 2 male (two might opt for a EF if available and not 45 miles away) eighteen EMs (none that I know of would leave the OF). Those that have asked for the EF decorate the church, sing in the choir Sunday and funerals, sponsor new church members, babysit while the parents are in RCIA and choir, serve food at the church functions and help out at the yearly Bible School. So yes it would impact the parish. It hopefully would not cripple it.
Our diocese refuses to permit ANY public celebrations of the TLM. Period. Despite Summorum Pontificum.
I think it’s wrong.
Good gravy!! You’re speaking for the Pope now? Not only is the Pauline Mass NOT “disordered”, the Pope has never hinted it was!
It’s not disordered! And your claim that is it runs contrary to what the Church teaches. In sum, you hold NON-Catholic beliefs.
The one thing I always say to people who suggest that the Pope thinks the OF is disordered is: Why does he continue to say that form of Mass then??? He has supreme authority over all liturgy in the Church, he could abrogate the OF at any time if he thought it was defective! Or at least he would stop saying it. Don’t the traditionalists think that, now that it is clear that the EF was never abrogated and may be said by any priest, the Pope would be saying his Masses according to the Tridentine form now, instead of the Pauline form, if he truly thought the latter was objectively inferior???
I have not heard any diocese that has done this. Since you list not personal information, I have no idea which diocese you refer to. However, let me assure you that your situation, while a terrible situation, is by no means indicative of the Church as a whole. Most bishops have not made such policies.
No he doesn’t. His opinion on liturgy is open for all to read in* The Spirit of the Liturgy*.
Well, if all else fails, hurl insults at people who disagree with you. Just realize this reveals more of your character than of those you are insulting.
Well you don’t live in the Greensburg, PA diocese. The only TLM celebrated here is at the University that the Bishop does not have total control over and then only on some week days. The Bishop stopped the Sunday private mass.
Absolutely! And the follow-up to that is if the OF is “disordered”, why the heck would you remain Catholic?
The local ordinary has even less control over a private Mass then he does the Mass you are speaking of that is celebrated on-campus.