Parishioners billed $72,000 for TLM (not a joke)

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Thought I would update. We are still going and now the chaplaincy has a website. You can check it out here.

So far we are doing ok on the financial end.
 
preV2tradcath said:
Thought I would update. We are still going and now the chaplaincy has a website. You can check it out here.

So far we are doing ok on the financial end.
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Thank you I was just thinking about your new parish. I will continue to pray for you all. Keep us in you prayers also. We are trying to get an steady EF in the Greensburg Diocese, with the social and other parish benefits/obligations, and have started a petition.
 
This happens to ethnic minorities in parishes quite often in some dioceses. I understand why it happens but surely there is a better way to share resources without making certain groups feel like second class citizens…
 
Come on kids, A five year old thread with no movement at all dueing those five years.

Talk about a resurrection of an old thread:thumbsup::eek:
 
universalindult said:
Because the Pope said Catholics have a right to this mass, just as you have a right to the vernacular. They are two forms of the same right. How can anyone justify charging for one and not the other when both use the same buildings, priests, infrastructure, etc.?

You are attempting to make TLM attending Catholics into second class Catholics who must pay for access to the sacraments. Sorry, we’ve been in the ghetto too long already to accept this blatant attempt to subvert Summorum Pontificum.
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If the pastor at the parish says the EF, then yes, you may have a partial point. Given that it appears they will have to bring in a priest to say the Mass, you don’t.

It may well be that some of the cost could be challenged. But let’s assume that we have one hundred families attending the EF on a regular basis.

$72,000 a year for 100 families and assuming a collection only weekly (holy days not included, that is) equals a weekly collection of $13.85 per family.

And since you say that Traditional Mass goers are more generous, that hardly seems a stretch.

Pay for access to the Sacraments? Everyone pays, They are asking for something extra (no pun intended - it will be an additional Mass with an additional priest, different vestments, and other items potentially) and they expect the parish to supply that without any changes? The parish is already supplying the Mass, and if it is like many parishes I am familiar with, they already are saying as many Masses as Canon law allows.

Hispanics already go to Masses said in English; and English speakers go to Masses said in Spanish. And some people who prefer the EF go to the OF Mass.

So what we are objecting to is $13.85 per week average to have the EF on a regular basis. Which by all comments, is an addition to what is already occurring in the parish.

Oh - and there is no doubt that some of the people who will be attending the EF will not be parish members - possibly what 50%? 65%? 87.5%? and since they are not members of the parish, can they be looked to for regular contributions?

Of course - most likely they will give when the collection is taken, right?

Essentially what you seem to be saying is that you have a right to an additional Mass, at additional costs, whether or not the parish can afford the additional costs, just because. you want a specially trained priest, special vestments, all the additions, and because you are imposing these additional costs on the parish, they should provide it because you don’t like what they are already providing. Right?
 
otjm said:
If the pastor at the parish says the EF, then yes, you may have a partial point. Given that it appears they will have to bring in a priest to say the Mass, you don’t.

It may well be that some of the cost could be challenged. But let’s assume that we have one hundred families attending the EF on a regular basis.

$72,000 a year for 100 families and assuming a collection only weekly (holy days not included, that is) equals a weekly collection of $13.85 per family.

And since you say that Traditional Mass goers are more generous, that hardly seems a stretch.

Pay for access to the Sacraments? Everyone pays, They are asking for something extra (no pun intended - it will be an additional Mass with an additional priest, different vestments, and other items potentially) and they expect the parish to supply that without any changes? The parish is already supplying the Mass, and if it is like many parishes I am familiar with, they already are saying as many Masses as Canon law allows.

Hispanics already go to Masses said in English; and English speakers go to Masses said in Spanish. And some people who prefer the EF go to the OF Mass.

So what we are objecting to is $13.85 per week average to have the EF on a regular basis. Which by all comments, is an addition to what is already occurring in the parish.

Oh - and there is no doubt that some of the people who will be attending the EF will not be parish members - possibly what 50%? 65%? 87.5%? and since they are not members of the parish, can they be looked to for regular contributions?

Of course - most likely they will give when the collection is taken, right?

Essentially what you seem to be saying is that you have a right to an additional Mass, at additional costs, whether or not the parish can afford the additional costs, just because. you want a specially trained priest, special vestments, all the additions, and because you are imposing these additional costs on the parish, they should provide it because you don’t like what they are already providing. Right?
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Will read this later on. Thanks.
 
If that would happen to our group, I would suggest a return to the catacombs! That seems to be where the bishop wants them to go. I don’t need a cathedral or fancy church to hear and participate in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass! How many bishops have allotted time for the TLM at 2:00 pm on Sunday afternoon? Ridiculous yet it’s meant to keep the participation down///nothing less. Then you tax them into oblivion.
 
universalindult said:
Eventually, as Cardinal Arinze has stated numerous times, EVERY parish should have at least one Latin mass per Sunday.

Yes, that means replacing one of the OF masses with an EF mass – in every parish world wide.

It will be the norm eventually. Might as well get used to it.
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You might want to actually give the quotes from the good Cardinal, including citation.

As to this eventually becoming the norm, I hope you are extremely young and have a very long life, as the rate that it is going currently appears to be at best something in tenths of one percent of Masses said on any given Sunday, if not hundredths of one percent. As Pope Benedict 16 said, it is extraordinary, not normative.
 
This mass is offered about 25 minutes from my house and I’m really looking forward to experiencing the latin mass. I’m currently converting to Catholicism and I am drawn to the traditional teachings and the latin mass.

The basilica where this mass is held is absolutely gorgeous.

I only wish it didn’t take a year to convert, I’ve been a Christian for my entire life and I was brought up in a protestant church. I’ve been researching and studying the catholic faith for a couple years now.
 
Silver_Thread said:
If that would happen to our group, I would suggest a return to the catacombs! That seems to be where the bishop wants them to go. I don’t need a cathedral or fancy church to hear and participate in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass! How many bishops have allotted time for the TLM at 2:00 pm on Sunday afternoon? Ridiculous yet it’s meant to keep the participation down///nothing less. Then you tax them into oblivion.
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Actually, if you read through the thread (and it is old) it appears the bishop has done them a tremendous favor. They are not beholden to a parish, or to a pastor who might be transferred out to somewhere else. They are starting their own group, in an area larger than most geographical parishes.

Keep the attendance down? On the contrary, they are getting their own pastor; not one who has both an OF parish to attend to and a small group desiring the EF.
 
EternalPromises said:
This mass is offered about 25 minutes from my house and I’m really looking forward to experiencing the latin mass. I’m currently converting to Catholicism and I am drawn to the traditional teachings and the latin mass.

The basilica where this mass is held is absolutely gorgeous.

I only wish it didn’t take a year to convert, I’ve been a Christian for my entire life and I was brought up in a protestant church. I’ve been researching and studying the catholic faith for a couple years now.
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Well, early on in the Church, it took three years… so count your blessings!

Welcome to the Church; may your conversion be filled with many blessings.
 
They must of…5 years from the OP the mass is still being offered. I’m only speculating though.
 
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