Partial Birth Abortion ban in effect?

[Renton405]

Maybe I have got it wrong. But there are still clinics that say they specialize in 2nd and even 3rd trimester abortions. Why are they advertising this if partial birth abortion is banned? Is third trimester illegal or not??

I read from a site that says:

Because the authority written into this law by pro-lifers never had even the possibility of saving a single child’s life, it is probably impossible to justify the 15 years and tens of millions of dollars wasted on this PBA ban by actually quoting what the Gonzales v. Carhart ruling actually holds. And as a result, pro-life ministries continue the long misinformation campaign about what the “ban” actually does, for in fact, it doesn’t even prohibit an abortionist from partially delivering a late-term fetus, and then killing the baby. The ruling is more of a PBA Manual, explaining in some detail exactly how an abortionist can legally perform a text-book partial-birth abortion, or how he can perform a four-inch variation on traditional PBA. The new procedure can be called a “Navel PBA.”

 

[kage_ar]

These “clinics” have many ways to kill babies, even without using the Partial Birth technique.

I’m sure the Priests for Life website can give you more detailed information.

 

[Renton405]

I thought it banned all types of third trimester… So they can go through loopholes by doing a different technique??

 

[valient_Lucy]

I thought it banned all types of third trimester… So they can go through loopholes by doing a different technique??

The partial birth abortion banned one specific type of late term abortion, in which the skull of the baby was crushed and the brains removed. Other methods of late term abortions, such as cutting up the baby and removing him from the uterus piece by piece are still legal. The Supreme Court even cited that, saying that the restriction on Partial Birth abortion would not place a woman’s life in danger, since the doctor could simply perform an abortion using a different technique.

Basically, the ban is not on the Third Trimester abortions, but on one of the methods use to perform it.

 

[Renton405]

well thats really disapointing. I thought it was meant for any type of third trimester… I didn’t know it was only for a specific technique. And knowing the way doctors are they will always find a new technique/loophole…

 

[1ke]

Maybe I have got it wrong. But there are still clinics that say they specialize in 2nd and even 3rd trimester abortions. Why are they advertising this if partial birth abortion is banned?

Only one specific procedure is banned. There are many ways to kill a 2nd or 3rd trimester baby and still comply with the law. This “ban” doesn’t prevent a single abortion.

Is third trimester illegal or not??

No.

 

[Renton405]

then what was the purpose of this ban if the doctors can just loophole through it with another method?? I thought PBA was any type of abortion in third trimester where the baby is taken out. Even with the other methods a “partial birth” still happens in a sense?? The term is so misleading…

It seems like all it does is instead of being bludegeoned to death you have the choice now of being poisined to death…

 

[1ke]

then what was the purpose of this ban if the doctors can just loophole through it with another method??

The purpose was to ban that one procedure. Why? Probably because politicians thought it would make them look good to their pro-life constituents. Maybe because some were seriously disturbed by the gruesome method of killing a partially born baby.

I truly don’t know what the ‘purpose’ was.

I thought PBA was any type of abortion in third trimester where the baby is taken out. Even with the other methods a “partial birth” still happens in a sense??

No, with the other methods partial birth does not happen. The other methods are saline abortion (the placenta is injected with saline and the baby is burned by the solution, inhales it and is killed by the salt water, then delivered dead through induced labor) or D&X (in which the doctor uses an instrument to disect the baby in the womb and extract it’s parts). Yes, it’s horrible.

The term is so misleading…

No, the term isn’t misleading, it describes the one procedure where the dotor delivers the infant breech and pokes scissors in it’s skull before the head comes out.

It seems like all it does is instead of being bludegeoned to death you have the choice now of being poisined to death…

Or torn into pieces. Yes. It’s horrible.

 

[BioCatholic]

The ban covers PERFORMING that ONE SPECIFIC procedure. NOTHING ELSE.

Physicians can still REFER women to other doctors, specifically in the UK, Canada, or any other country. If a physician knows that the pregnancy is terminal, and would most likely end up having a PBA done no matter what procedure would be started, he can refer a woman outside the jurisdiction of the US.

It allows the procedure if the mother’s life is in actual danger, and requires concurrence of another physician. It DOES NOT specify whether that other physician has to be in the SAME STATE i.e. a physician in Neveda can refer a woman to a physician/partner he knows in California for a second opinion.

This ban is no narrow it does almost nothing. The same with bans on the state level. They all have to fall in line with the Federal ban. And they cannot prevent a physician from REFERRING women to outside jurisdictions. Only Congress can ATTEMPT to do that. That probably even would not hold up with a Conservative USSC.

 

[DJgang]

Goggle George Tiller, his lovely website will tell you how he kills babies during the third trimester.

 

[Renton405]

The purpose was to ban that one procedure. Why? Probably because politicians thought it would make them look good to their pro-life constituents. Maybe because some were seriously disturbed by the gruesome method of killing a partially born baby.

I truly don’t know what the ‘purpose’ was.

No, with the other methods partial birth does not happen. The other methods are saline abortion (the placenta is injected with saline and the baby is burned by the solution, inhales it and is killed by the salt water, then delivered dead through induced labor) or D&X (in which the doctor uses an instrument to disect the baby in the womb and extract it’s parts). Yes, it’s horrible.

No, the term isn’t misleading, it describes the one procedure where the dotor delivers the infant breech and pokes scissors in it’s skull before the head comes out.

Or torn into pieces. Yes. It’s horrible.

But its like banning cyanide and replacing it with napalm. It makes no sense… Why don’t they say they are banning a specific procedure instead of banning partial birth. I mean any abortion in the third trimester would be a partial birth abortion, no matter what technique. If doctors are gonna just jump to another technique to get through the loophole of the ban then the ban really isn’t doing anything… I doubt if many conservatives really know what the ban really means, many think that all third trimesters are all illegal now…

 

[Renton405]

The purpose was to ban that one procedure. Why? Probably because politicians thought it would make them look good to their pro-life constituents. Maybe because some were seriously disturbed by the gruesome method of killing a partially born baby.

I truly don’t know what the ‘purpose’ was.

No, with the other methods partial birth does not happen. The other methods are saline abortion (the placenta is injected with saline and the baby is burned by the solution, inhales it and is killed by the salt water, then delivered dead through induced labor) or D&X (in which the doctor uses an instrument to disect the baby in the womb and extract it’s parts). Yes, it’s horrible.

No, the term isn’t misleading, it describes the one procedure where the dotor delivers the infant breech and pokes scissors in it’s skull before the head comes out.

Or torn into pieces. Yes. It’s horrible.

Yea but when the baby is delivered dead from the saline it still is in a way a partial birth. Because the baby still comes out dead. Whether the baby died from saline or from the skull the baby is still partially delivered out of the womb…

Birth is the definition of the baby comming out and being delivered. So partial birth would mean a baby that is partially(premature) delivered. By definition of the way the word if used it is misleading. Most people don’t know of any certain techniques. They think partial birth is a baby being killed and born in the third trimester…