Participation in a Seder Meal

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I was reading on Robert Sungenis’ website that a Catholic cannot participate in these types of Jewish rituals because of some decrees issued at the Council of Florence and Trent. Do you guys know what he would be referring to and is he right that I cannot partake in a Passover Meal?
 
It would be truly remarkable if any participation was forbidden. One year, my school’s Newman Club had a Seder meal presided over by Dominican Fathers.

If there is any restriction it is probably not the food or the event itself. You just don’t want to slip into actively taking part in a Jewish a profession of faith. The good news is that they probably won’t let you make that mistake anyway. Jewish people are usually very respectful of both their own observances and yours.
 
I agree with Richbansha. You can go to a Seder, eat the food, read from the book. There are some prayers that you could probably pray along with them. But of course, if there is anything that violates your faith, like a prayer about the Messiah not having come yet, then you wouldn’t want to participate in that.

So much of our Catholic Christian faith is rooted in Judaism that it can really give you more appreciation for Jesus, what Jesus did and what He experienced, and our own traditions and beliefs to attend a Jewish service.

But if you have doubts, you might want to ask your priest (I’m sure you’ve thought of that already).
 
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Walking_Home:
Why don’t we focus on recovering, learning, strengthening our own Catholic traditions instead of embracing foreign ones.

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Foreign? It was something that Christ celebrated.
Or did you forget He was a righteous Jew?
 
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otm:
Foreign? It was something that Christ celebrated.
Or did you forget He was a righteous Jew?
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He was a Jew, but we are Christians.
 
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otm:
Foreign? It was something that Christ celebrated.
Or did you forget He was a righteous Jew?
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no… He did not celebrate fully… they sang the psalms and went out without finished the meal…

and He did say this is the NEW Covenant… the Seder was simply a transition to the Mass.
 
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MrS:
no… He did not celebrate fully… they sang the psalms and went out without finished the meal…

and He did say this is the NEW Covenant… the Seder was simply a transition to the Mass.
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Sorry, you missed it. He celebrated each and every one of the Seder Meals until the Last Supper. And we can say that he did htat because he was a righteous Jew.
 
I would like to make a point that no Jewish people will be present. It is all Catholic young people.
 
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and, pray tell, what do you think Christians are, some sort of group that started with no heritage at all?

I will grant that we are people of the New Covenant, but to say that it is foreign is akin to saying that because you got married and had children, that your parents or grand parents are foreign. The Jews are part of the family of God; they are His chosen People, and God never goes back on His covenant.
 
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otm:
Sorry, you missed it. He celebrated each and every one of the Seder Meals until the Last Supper. And we can say that he did htat because he was a righteous Jew.
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And He shed His blood to transform us from the old to the new.
 
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otm:
and, pray tell, what do you think Christians are, some sort of group that started with no heritage at all?

I will grant that we are people of the New Covenant, but to say that it is foreign is akin to saying that because you got married and had children, that your parents or grand parents are foreign. The Jews are part of the family of God; they are His chosen People, and God never goes back on His covenant.
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Name me one covenant from the OT that is in force (for Catholics) today.

Name me one Jew who can be saved without Jesus Christ.

If Jesus were to appear this Thursday… would he go to a Catholic Church, or to a Jewish Temple?
 
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MrS:
Name me one covenant from the OT that is in force (for Catholics) today.

Name me one Jew who can be saved without Jesus Christ.

If Jesus were to appear this Thursday… would he go to a Catholic Church, or to a Jewish Temple?
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Since He is already in the Catholic church, and that is the two alternatives you give me, He would go to the Jewish synagogue (there is not temple at this time). 😃

And as to the old Covenants, would you suggest that “I will be your God, and you will be My people” is no longer in force for Catholics? Think, before you answer; are we not only His people, but also His Body? 😃
 
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otm:
and, pray tell, what do you think Christians are, some sort of group that started with no heritage at all?

I will grant that we are people of the New Covenant, but to say that it is foreign is akin to saying that because you got married and had children, that your parents or grand parents are foreign. The Jews are part of the family of God; they are His chosen People, and God never goes back on His covenant.
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This is what the Church and Pope Benedict XVI have to say.

From Wednesdays’s Audience 2006-03-15
Could not link to direct article, but you can get to it from there.

www.zenit.org

Church, Presence of Christ Among Men

“The Individualistic Jesus Is a Fantansy”

Vatican City, March 15, 2006

Dear Brothers and Sisters,

…
By choosing the Twelve, introducing them into a communion of life with him and making them sharers in the same mission of announcing the Kingdom with words and deeds (cf.Mark 6:7-13;Mathew 10:5-8;Luke 9:1-6;6:13), Jesus wants to say that the definitive time has arrived, the time for rebuilding God’s people, the people of the 12 tribes, which is now converted into a universal people, his Church.

By their mere existence, the Twelve—called from different backgrounds–have become a summons to all Israel to conversion and to allow themselves to be reunited in a new convenant, full and perfect accomplishment of the old…
This is what the Church has always taught and still teaches.
 
I’ve celebrated the Seder with Jewish friends for many years…FULLY participated. I honestly can not think of any prayer that the Jews pray that a Catholic would be unable to pray in good faith. What must be distinctly remembered is that the Jews are STILL God’s unique people. Christians are grafted into the Jewish family with the promises STILL belonging to the Jews given to Christians who are Israelites by adoption. While I pray that the Jews do come to Christ, I think it’s also important that the Jews remain open and faithful to the Covenant they still have with God. Read what the Catechism has to say about the Jews…they have a unique relationship with God.
 
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Yerusalyim:
I’ve celebrated the Seder with Jewish friends for many years…FULLY participated. I honestly can not think of any prayer that the Jews pray that a Catholic would be unable to pray in good faith. What must be distinctly remembered is that the Jews are STILL God’s unique people. Christians are grafted into the Jewish family with the promises STILL belonging to the Jews given to Christians who are Israelites by adoption. While I pray that the Jews do come to Christ, I think it’s also important that the Jews remain open and faithful to the Covenant they still have with God. Read what the Catechism has to say about the Jews…they have a unique relationship with God.
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Read post #15
 
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Yerusalyim:
I’ve celebrated the Seder with Jewish friends for many years…FULLY participated. I honestly can not think of any prayer that the Jews pray that a Catholic would be unable to pray in good faith. What must be distinctly remembered is that the Jews are STILL God’s unique people. Christians are grafted into the Jewish family with the promises STILL belonging to the Jews given to Christians who are Israelites by adoption. While I pray that the Jews do come to Christ, I think it’s also important that the Jews remain open and faithful to the Covenant they still have with God. Read what the Catechism has to say about the Jews…they have a unique relationship with God.
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It’s true that Christians also have a unique relationship with Jews. Judaism gave birth to Christianity. Even though Jews do not accept Jesus as the Messiah and Son of God, they still have a special relationship with God. I think that learning about Judaism can really deepen our appreciation and understanding of Catholicism.
 
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Yerusalyim:
I’ve celebrated the Seder with Jewish friends for many years…FULLY participated. I honestly can not think of any prayer that the Jews pray that a Catholic would be unable to pray in good faith. What must be distinctly remembered is that the Jews are STILL God’s unique people. Christians are grafted into the Jewish family with the promises STILL belonging to the Jews given to Christians who are Israelites by adoption. While I pray that the Jews do come to Christ, I think it’s also important that the Jews remain open and faithful to the Covenant they still have with God. Read what the Catechism has to say about the Jews…they have a unique relationship with God.
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I would say the Catholic Church was “grafted” out of and not into the Jewish Family.

The NT is the Fulfillment, not subservant to the OT
 
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MrS:
I would say the Catholic Church was “grafted” out of and not into the Jewish Family.

The NT is the Fulfillment, not subservant to the OT
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Your position that we as Church are grafted OUT OF the Jewish family is inconsistent with the bible and Church doctrine. Christians are grafted INTO not out of. Your position would be one of cutting off the Jews…where quite the opposite is true.

Read Paragraph 839 and 840 in the Catechism for a better understanding of how the Church views Jews.
 
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