Passing the Chalice around for Vocations?

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itsjustdave1988:
St. Pius X used the word “obedience,” “differ” and “dissension.” Of course this is a translation from Italian. But the meaning is the same. The SSPX say they have devotion and loyalty to the pope, but then they dissent with him and disobey his canon law. I don’t think St. Pius would approve…

*"*If one loves the Pope, one does not stop to ask the precise limits to which this duty of obedience extends… one does not seek to restrict the domain within which he can or should make his wishes felt; one does not oppose to the Pope’s authority that of others, however learned they may be, who differ from him. For however great their learning, they must be lacking in holiness, for there can be no holiness in dissension from the Pope. " (Pope St. Pius X, allocution of 18 November, 1912, AAS vol. 4 (1912), 693-695. Selection from p. 695)

We certainly don’t need any more dissenting priests.
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Can you share with me what is dissenting is this practice?

In essence the parish is passing around a cup that they keep in a place of prominence in their home and use to gather around and pray for vocations.

I would rather see them use the Icon I linked above, maybe A&O could suggest this, but I see nothing diobediant or dissenting in this practice.

Go to the web site linked by A&O, they appear to be a very traditional obedient group.
 
ByzCath,

This was in response to Steve Green’s post:
How about a universal indult for the celebration of the TLM and bringing in the Pius X Society to full union with the Holy See for vocations ? You want priests ? This is how they will come.
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My reply was that we don’t need more dissenting priests.

As for passing the Chalice, our parish does this too. It’s a beautifully carved wooden chalice specific for this purpose. I like the icon as well.
 
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itsjustdave1988:
ByzCath,

This was in response to Steve Green’s post:
How about a universal indult for the celebration of the TLM and bringing in the Pius X Society to full union with the Holy See for vocations ? You want priests ? This is how they will come.
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My reply was that we don’t need more dissenting priests.

As for passing the Chalice, our parish does this too. It’s a beautifully carved wooden chalice specific for this purpose. I like the icon as well.
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Thanks, sorry for my misunderstanding and I agree with you. We don’t need any more dissenting priests.

The SSPX are free to return to the fold at anytime they only need ot do one thing. Become obedient to the Church.
 
I asked this same question in the Ask the Apologist forum since our church was beginning this practice. I wanted to make sure it was O.K. just in case our family was asked to participate. Michelle Arnold basically said that a chalice that had never been used to hold the blood of Christ could be used as a sacramental to pray for vocations as long as it is used with respect.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=43039
 
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itsjustdave1988:
We want obedient priests. We have enough disobedient priests, so the SSPX can keep their priests until they realize that “there is no holiness in disagreement with the Pope.” (St. Pius X).
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Of coarse, Cardinal Mahoney and a host of other priests get away with murder and not a thing is done to them. Or here in Orlando, they assist in the ordination of a Lutheran bishop and that is ok according to them.

But of coarse, some would argue that the SSPX is the reason why there are so many ugly churches (see the plans for the Cathedral in Oakland?), pedophile priests, why Mahoney was made a Cardinal, etc.
 
Steve Green:
How about a universal indult for the celebration of the TLM and bringing in the Pius X Society to full union with the Holy See for vocations ? You want priests ? This is how they will come.
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If special arrangements were made to allow the SSPX to return Home, it would alienate far more than it would attract.

The SSPX need to come to terms with the fact that Jesus Christ and not man controls the Catholic Church. Until they do, they need to stay in schism.
 
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EddieArent:
Of coarse, Cardinal Mahoney and a host of other priests get away with murder and not a thing is done to them. Or here in Orlando, they assist in the ordination of a Lutheran bishop and that is ok according to them.

But of coarse, some would argue that the SSPX is the reason why there are so many ugly churches (see the plans for the Cathedral in Oakland?), pedophile priests, why Mahoney was made a Cardinal, etc.
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Cardinal Mahoney (sic) killed someone?
 
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EddieArent:
Of coarse, Cardinal Mahoney and a host of other priests get away with murder and not a thing is done to them. Or here in Orlando, they assist in the ordination of a Lutheran bishop and that is ok according to them.

But of coarse, some would argue that the SSPX is the reason why there are so many ugly churches (see the plans for the Cathedral in Oakland?), pedophile priests, why Mahoney was made a Cardinal, etc.
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So your view is that SSPX disobedience is ok, because there are other disobedient Cardinals and priests? I think you need to prayerfully re-look at your position. It’s absurd. You are shadow boxing with an argument I don’t make. I loath the disobedient priests within the Catholic Church. That doesn’t mean the “fix” is more disobedient priests.

In 1929, prior to the disobedience of Lefebvre and his schismatic movement, this is what Catholicism taught…
“**… no one who understands Catholic theology could consent for a moment to minister, however valid his ordination, to souls which had not been committed to his charge by a bishop in communion with the Holy See. **But if he should presume to do so, in one most important particular, his ministry would be not only irregular but nugatory [ie. ineffectual, inoperative]. **Lacking mission, he would be defying Catholic order; lacking jurisdiction, he would be pronouncing unavailing words of absolution over sins unremitted in Heaven.” ** (Ronald Knox, *The Church on Earth, *2003 edition, Sophia Institute Press, NH, originally published 1929, London, pg. 49, emphasis added)
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EddieArent:
Or here in Orlando, they assist in the ordination of a Lutheran bishop and that is ok according to them.
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Define “assist”. Did they merely attend the “ordination” of the “bishop”?
 
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