"Passing the Communion Basket"

[BrianDay]

Is it possible that this is not a Catholic Church at all, just a pretention? Look at the contact information:

                         **Responsibility**

Elisabeth Miller - Office Coordinator, Bulletin Editor

Leo Tibesar - Pastor

Carol Dittberner - Atrium Education: Preschool, Grades 1-4

Marie Rossa - Administrator

Joe White - Faith Formation: Grades 5-8, Youth, & Adult Education

Chris Kosowski - Liturgy, Pastoral Care

Mickey Friessen - Deacon: Baptism Prep.

The office coordinator is listed first, the pastor is not refered to as “Fr” or “Rev”. Maybe these people pretend to be a church.

 

[Fast_ed75]

Mary1973:

Where is that cathedral located?

San Antonio Texas
At a minimum, the Cathedral should have been reconsecrated after this deliberate desecration.

Here were the presiders:

Rev. Jake Empereur, S.J., is vicar and liturgist at the San Fernando Cathedral in San Antonio, Texas, where he also works in Hispanic ministry. He founded the Institute for Spirituality and Worship while a professor of systematic and liturgical theology at the Jesuit School of Theology at Berkeley and the Graduate Theological Union, and is founding editor of Modern Liturgy Magazine. Fr. Empereur’s latest books are The Enneagram and Spiritual Direction and Spiritual Direction and the Gay Person. He is presently complete a book on Hispanic sacramental theology and practice.



Sr. Marth Ann Kirk, professor of Religious Studies
University of The Word

Sr. Martha Ann Kirk, professor of Religious Studies, was interviewed by Candice Bergen, during her program, “Exhale,” on the Oxygen Cable Network seen in fifteen million households. The program was about the book For The Love of God: The Faith and Future of The American Nuns. Among other things the book describes Sr. Martha Ann’s teaching and arts ministry. Sr. Martha Ann Kirk also presented “Emerging Peace Rituals in this U.N. Decade for Education for Cultures of Non-Violence and their Relationship to Feminist Rituals of the Last Decade.” She was also the convener of the “Feminist Studies in Liturgy” seminar hosting the dialogue with Rosemary Radford Ruether at the North American Academy of Liturgy in St. Louis

 

[BillFL]

St. Frances Cabrini parish in Minneapolis: They must be a wonderful, holy parish, for in checking out the web site I found no information on the times for Confession!

 

[CMcLaurin]

Are you sure this is a real Catholic parish? Perhaps, as someone else noted, it is not in communion with an actual bishop.

 

[deogratias]

I checked, it is listed in the Parishes on the Diocese web site.

We have a Franciscan Renewal Center here in our Diocese as well.

I went there once when they had blessing of the animals - and the Mass also had bread hunks, no kneelers, etc. They too offer some pretty strange programs like enneagrams and labyrinth walking.

thecasa.org/

Perhaps you would like to go listen to Deepak Chopra

No - well then how about thecasa.org/images/drepung_lubum_monks_small.jpg*** ***Drepung Lubum
Monks
**The First World Peace Tour 2004-2005
**Tibetan Monks on a Mission
of World Peace

 

[Panis_Angelicas]

Fast_ed75:

Sr. Martha Ann Kirk also presented “Emerging Peace Rituals in this U.N. Decade for Education for Cultures of Non-Violence and their Relationship to Feminist Rituals of the Last Decade.”

And Panis Angelicas presents “Oh for the love of Mike, Give Me a Break, Feminist Rituals of the Last Decade Have Nothing to do the UN Decade for for Education for Cultures of Non-Violence.”

Do these people really believe themselves?

 

[_veritas]

CMcLaurin:

Are you sure this is a real Catholic parish? Perhaps, as someone else noted, it is not in communion with an actual bishop.

Oh yes, it is a parish in supposed good standing with the Archdiocese of St. Paul/Minneapolis…

I have never had inclination to go anywhere near it, since it has always been known as one of “those” parishes (like St. Joan of Arc… though as far as I know at least SJA uses valid material and doesn’t have the congregation self-communicate!).

It is interesting, my friend that went to Mass there (it was for First Holy Communion actually!! None of these kids actually received their First Holy Communion!!) was actually told specifically by Fr. Echert (of EWTN fame, who is a priest for our Archdiocese!) to stay away from St. Frances Cabrini, NEVER to go there.

I have sent my own e-mail to the parish, nicely asking for “clarification” due to my friend’s “immense concern”, asking them for the “truth” about what happened there in a nice, ignorant “she can’t possibly have told me correctly” kind of way… We’ll see if I get any kind of response back…

+veritas+

 

[CMcLaurin]

This is mad. Purely insane, it reeks of evil and pure heresy. Why are these places allowed to exist?!

 

[Catholic_Eagle]

May those liberal parishes are there in Minnesota, to counteract the schismatic[sic] SSPX’s seminary in Winona?

 

[KennySe]

Illini:

This is the same archdiocese that is home to St. Joan of Arc, the parish that substitutes non-biblical passages for the Bible in the First Reading, among a host of other things. St. Frances Cabrini now makes two parishes there that grossly deviate from the liturgical norms. :crying:

St. Joan of Arc Church is the one I had heard of back at Eastertime. They had a pay-for authentic seder meal, followed directly (immediately no break) with Holy Thursday Mass.

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In the August 08, 2004 bulletin on page 3…
stjoan.com/bulletinfr.htm

For tomorrow, Sunday, August 15th Mass,
“Sunday, August 15: Fr. George Wertin will preside and speak on “Mary, the Mother of Jesus.””

I see an aversion to call Mary “Mother of God” Perhaps this title would be to “traditional” for the folks at St. Joan of Arc’s?.

“I Will Sing Thy Name”: Worshipping the Divine Feminine: Every culture uses some kind of singing or music to compliment its forms of worship. Devotional chanting is taken from an eastern context, but the language used is English and the focus is universal. Participants experience the uplifting power of chanting followed by silent meditation. Facilitator: Alan L. Pritz, founder of the Center for Inner Awakening (www.CSpiritAwake.com). Wednesday, August 25, 7-9 pm. Fee: $20.

Awakening the Goddess Within: This introductory workshop touches on the 5 basic elements of a goddess: nature, body, mother, unconscious, and the community of women. Led by Mary Welch, a TOP facilitator and CTI coach. Monday, Aug. 16, 7-9 pm. Cost: $10.

 

[Panis_Angelicas]

Catholic Eagle:

May those liberal parishes are there in Minnesota, to counteract the schismatic[sic] SSPX’s seminary in Winona?

Those liberal parishes are there, tearing down the Mystical Body of Christ by their disobedience to Rome, as are the SSPX’s. One form of disobedience hardly “counters” another, even though they be on two different ends of the spectrum.
What counters disobedience is, obviously, obedience.

 

[Catholic4aReasn]

**

**REGARDING COMMUNION, **

Mass Coordinators & the Liturgy Committee have been looking at ways to see that any remaining Eucharistic Bread is reverently consumed, as the Communion Rite concludes. In recent months we have tried doing this immediately after the Communion procession, as was the practice at Newman, & suggested by two of our Mass Coordinators. As the basket is passed, you may help with the consuming the Eucharist, or pass it on. No words are needed at this point. **

What basket? Is this saying that the Eucharistic Ministers are to eat the left over communion?

 

[Panis_Angelicas]

Perhaps a letter to Archbishop Flynn, detailing both of these parishes and asking his explanation would be wise.

I think our bishops who let these things occur need to hear a public outcry.

Harry, Harry, why do you persecute us?

 

[Ray_Marshall]

BillFL:

St. Frances Cabrini parish in Minneapolis: They must be a wonderful, holy parish, for in checking out the web site I found no information on the times for Confession!

Good one, Bill!

Yes indeed, the Archdioces of St. Paul and Minneapolis is home to the parishes of St.Francis Cabrini and St. Joan of Arc.**

It is also home to 29 parishes that have Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration, seven days a week 24 hours a day.

And it is also home to an additional 36 parishes that for reasons of size, space, location or other reasons, offer Eucharist Adoration for more restrictive times.

That amounts to about 60 parishes out 220 in the Archdioce.**

I’m not excusing liturgical abuses, but I would just like to point out to the Seraphim who are intent on purging the Church of error, that there often is more to the Church than a parish or two.

 

[Panis_Angelicas]

Yes indeed, the Archdioces of St. Paul and Minneapolis is home to the parishes of St.Francis Cabrini and St. Joan of Arc.

It is also home to 29 parishes that have Perpetual Eucharistic Adoration, seven days a week 24 hours a day.

And it is also home to an additional 36 parishes that for reasons of size, space, location or other reasons, offer Eucharist Adoration for more restrictive times.

That amounts to about 60 parishes out 220 in the Archdioce.
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That’s wonderful…And one Indult Traditional Latin Mass, if I’m not mistaken.

I’m not excusing liturgical abuses, but I would just like to point out to the Seraphim who are intent on purging the Church of error, that there often is more to the Church than a parish or two.

If a shepherd had 100 sheep, and one was missing, would he not leave the 99 to find the one that is lost?
If we know where the lost sheep is, should we not inform the shepherd?
We need not claim our mission as “purging the Church of error,” since She is guided most perfectly by the Holy Spirit and does not err.
What we hope to do is to preserve the Sacred Liturgy from blemish, as we are called to do in Inaestimabile Donum, Redemptionis Sacramentum, etc., etc.
If we take our Faith seriously, then we should be willing to defend her against attacks: from without and from within.
I just happen to think that those from within are the most grave and deserve swift attention.

 

[Ray_Marshall]

Panis Angelicas:

That’s wonderful…And one Indult Traditional Latin Mass, if I’m not mistaken.

Make that two indult Latin Masses:

St. Agnes, St. Paul, 10:00 a.m. on Sundays, something not to be missed between September and May when it is a symphonic High Mass accompanied by choir and members of the Minnesota Orchestra. Two hours in length, though. Nobody sneaks out early.

St. Augustine, South St. Paul, 11:30 a.m. on Sundays. I believe it alternates between a High Mass and Low Mass on alternate Sundays.

 

[_veritas]

Ray Marshall:

Make that two indult Latin Masses:

St. Agnes, St. Paul, 10:00 a.m. on Sundays, something not to be missed between September and May when it is a symphonic High Mass accompanied by choir and members of the Minnesota Orchestra. Two hours in length, though. Nobody sneaks out early.

St. Augustine, South St. Paul, 11:30 a.m. on Sundays. I believe it alternates between a High Mass and Low Mass on alternate Sundays.

Correction – St. Agnes’ highly famed Latin High Mass is not an indult Mass, as it is done entirely in Latin using the current Order of Mass (it is not Tridentine). Because it is the current Missal, St. Agnes does not need permission to celebrate the Mass in Latin – **any **parish/priest can celebrate the Mass of the current Missal at any time in Latin – provided at least one Mass on Sunday is celebrated for the people in the vernacular. (I am not sure where the documentation is for this, I just know that I have heard it, perhaps someone else does?)

A seminarian friend of mine loves to repeat a conversation he once heard about between a past bishop of our archdiocese and a priest who was complaining about the continued use of Latin in Masses after Vatican II by some priests – the bishop responded to his complaints by saying (paraphrasing…) “Actually, my friend, it is you who need my permission to celebrate Mass in English! No one needs my permission, or anyone else’s, to celebrate Mass in the universal language of Holy Mother Church!”

(I wish I knew which bishop that was… I’ll have to ask my friend again next time I see him!)

+veritas+

 

[deogratias]

Actually, my friend, it is you who need my permission to celebrate Mass in English! No one needs my permission, or anyone else’s, to celebrate Mass in the universal language of Holy Mother Church

:clapping:

This is also mentioned in Redemptionis Sacramentum

112.] Mass is celebrated either in Latin or in another language, provided that liturgical texts are used which have been approved according to the norm of law. Except in the case of celebrations of the Mass that are scheduled by the ecclesiastical authorities to take place in the language of the people, Priests are always and everywhere permitted to celebrate Mass in Latin.200

 

[Ray_Marshall]

+veritas+:

Correction – St. Agnes’ highly famed Latin High Mass is not an indult Mass, as it is done entirely in Latin using the current Order of Mass (it is not Tridentine).

Thanks for the correction, **+veritas+. ** I guess I kinda knew that.

Ray

 

[redkim]

Panis Angelicas:

Those liberal parishes are there, tearing down the Mystical Body of Christ by their disobedience to Rome, as are the SSPX’s. One form of disobedience hardly “counters” another, even though they be on two different ends of the spectrum.
What counters disobedience is, obviously, obedience.

nice and pithy. Good job.