Passion of the Christ accurate?

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James_2:24:

How was Jesus able to carry the cross after the scourging at the pillar? It seems that with that kind of beating one would have trouble even attempting to walk.

As noted by another poster, there seemed to have been a trend for the Romans to beat the peole before they were crucified. also, Simon was yanked form the crowd to help him carry it.

 

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brotherhrolf:

More and more I am convinced that the Shroud of Turin is THE SHROUD.

I wish I can remember the name of a documentary I saw on he Shroud of Turin last year. So many have been made. This one talked about the tests that were taken, and how the tests indicated that the cloth was not old enough to be the Shroud, but then it had a few experts counter that allegation with the fact tht the piece of material they tested was from part of the shroud that many people had touched over the years, and as such it was a poor speicimen for testing.

The ideal place to test would be closer to the center, where people were less likely to have touched, but no one wants that done becuase it might destroy the integrity of the cloth. Also, there are questions if such tests could even be accurate because so many people probably touched it everywhere at times, since it has been venerated for so long, and only over the recent century, have those in charge of its exhibition been concerned about its preservation.

They also had some woman who was a type of cloth historian and she believes that something about the nature of the seams and their location that it probably did come from the time of Christ. That she only saw similar seams on one other fabric and it was form that time period.

As for Veronica’s veil, I would love more about how that disappeared too. Of course Protestants aren’t aware of it, as it is not in the Bible. The name Veronica comes from a corrution of the term vera icon, ore soemthing similar to it, which means “true icon.” Some one recently found something in a Church that many believe to be it.

 

[brotherhrolf]

I try to keep track of the claims and counter-claims on the Shroud. The latest is that it pre-dates the Middle Ages. I simply cannot believe that anyone in the Middle Ages would be capable of such a forgery.

As for Veronica’s Veil, maybe Fr. Ambrose or David the Byz Cath could help us.

 

[Spyder1jcd]

Mayweather:

It is pretty obvious that the passion of the christ was innacurate because:

a) there was no symphony/opera going full blast at every second of the passion

b) all the intense moments of the passion did not occur in slow motion.

I thought this movie was sort of lame. Not really into the hollywoodization of it all. Braveheart of the Christ didn’t do it for me.

Well, I’d like to see YOU put 25 mil. into a movie with no music or special cinematography.

 

[Spyder1jcd]

faithfulservant:

in answer to other (please specify)

my personal opinion is that our Lord suffered far more than what was depicted in the movie…starting with the AGONY in the garden all the way to His death on the Cross

Actually, “The Passion of the Christ” had the most realistic agony in the garden scene that I’ve ever seen. Think about it. Just watching that scene, you can tell how much agony He is in, you can almost feel the horrible fear of what is ahead. This is opposed to most other Jesus movies that just have Him praying in a kind of shuddery voice, with fakey beads of bloody sweat.

 

[springbreeze]

Dear friends

After Christ Jesus’ ressurrection He spent 40 days appearing and time with the Apostles. In this time He must have told them what Pilate said to Him in private and all manner of things that are now recorded in the New Testament. I cannot imagine that Jesus sat down on the beach and ate a breakfast of fish with them and didn’t have anything to say to them about His Passion and I can well imagine that the Apostles asked Him many questions.

Mel Gibson’s Passion of the Christ is Biblical except for dramatic music and maybe the actors don’t look exactly like the Biblical Characters, therefore yes ‘it is as it was’ as our late Pope John Paul II said.

I think the Passion of the Christ conveys the true horror and cruelty of Christ;s Passion whereas previous movies have cleaned it up and lessened the severity of it for our weakness and poor constitutions as well as the previous times gone past were not so graphic in any depiction of violence.

God Bless you and much love and peace to you

Teresa

 

[huskerfan]

The first time I went to The Passion, I could hardly watch it. I kept covering my eyes. It was so brutal and hurt so much to think that one man took all that on because of you and me. I later went to a discussion group at our church about the movie. I was so shocked to hear about things I hadn’t seen because I didn’t have it in me to watch it the way I should have. I couldn’t see beyond the brutality. I then went back several times to watch it again. Each time I have seen more and more that has affected me in a way that I can’t begin to describe!! I have never gotten used to how brutal it is, but I don’t think we are supposed to. When the DVD came out, I bought it and have watched it several times since then. I made it my Lenten sacrifice. What a tiny sacrifice compared to what He did!! Accurate? Probably not enough. We can read the Bible and assume because we read it we know all there is to know. What book ever describes something accurately enough for us to get the grasp of how something truly is? I don’t believe the movie is accurate because I grew up hearing something over and over again. I believe that it is accurate because my heart tells me that it is…my heart because God put it there so I would know.

 

[faithfulservant]

Spyder1jcd:

Actually, “The Passion of the Christ” had the most realistic agony in the garden scene that I’ve ever seen. Think about it. Just watching that scene, you can tell how much agony He is in, you can almost feel the horrible fear of what is ahead. This is opposed to most other Jesus movies that just have Him praying in a kind of shuddery voice, with fakey beads of bloody sweat.

i agree spidey, that it was certainly more realistic than any other movie…what i was actually referring to was catherine emmerich’s account of the agony in the garden… and the movie toned that down quite a bit

huskerfan, nice post

 

[Spyder1jcd]

To truly understand the sufferings of Jesus, “The Passion” would’ve had to have pulled a “CSI” by going inside Jesus. First, we must examine the Agony in the Garden. Jesus, in a state near shock, underwent a condition known as hematadrosis, where the capillaries burst and blood seeps into the sweat glands, causing the blood sweat that Luke describes. This conditions also weakens the capillaries all around the body, so that during the scourging, the skin became very sensitive. This was no ordinary pain. Such stress that Jesus went through would’ve put Him in a very weak state of body. With each blow, the three dumbell-shaped pieces of lead burst through the skin and ruptured blood vessels. The weakened capillaries would’ve been torn apart. Then consider the fact that He carried a 150 pound patibulum for quite a ways before handing it off to Simon. With each step, the rough wood rubbed His scapula, wearing down the muscle. Not to mention the arm cramps from the position they were in to hold the thing. Then, on Calvary, as He was nailed to the cross, the spike would’ve pierced the median nerve. Think about it this way: when you hit your funny bone, you barely strike you median nerve. This was a constant, agonizing pain. After a while, the arms began to cramp. Also consider the position Jesus was in. This position on the cross would’ve put His lungs under pressure of His chest. To exhale, He had to push His body upward, causing terrible pain in the feet. This up and down motion may have even caused a dislocated shoulder. Eventually, the constant expansion of the chest would cause the heart to be crushed as if a hand were squeezing it. He went into cardiac arrest, and literally died of a broken heart.