Passion of the CHrist, Catholic

[deb1]

crazyage3:

Just so you all know, I wasnt mad that this was a Catholic movie. I’m glad, infact. My protestant sister in law made a comment about how the Passion was a “Catholic View”. It upsetted me because it is the Passion of OUR LORD. Why should it matter if it was Catholic or not? Everything was taken from the bible.

Does she not believe that Catholics are Christians? The Passion of the Christ being from a Catholic point of view is only a problem if one believes that Catholics aren’t Christian. Of course, Mel Gibson was influenced by his Catholic world view but that doesn’t mean that it was so drastically different then a Protestant’s view of the Christ’s death that a nonCatholic would be offended or lost. Next time, ask your SIL why a Catholic viewpoint would be any worse then a Baptist or Pentecostal viewpoint.

 

[Fric]

sweetchuck:

I think the only place where Mel missed the boat was when in the movie, Christ did not take the wine-soaked sponge on the cross, which is only half-true. Mark 15:23: “They gave him wine drugged with myrrh, but he did not take it.” BUT John 19, 29-30: “So they put a sponge soaked in wine on a sprig of hyssop and put it up to his mouth. When Jesus had taken the wine, he said, ‘It is finished.’ And bowing his head, he handed over the spirit.” It would’ve been very Catholic of Gibson to have Jesus take the wine in his movie, because, as Scott Hahn says, the “it” in “it is finished” refers to the Passover sacrifice and the drinking of the final cup.

Just a note here… The two accounts you mention in Mark and John are actually separate events entirely in the Crucifixion of the Lord. Christ does indeed say He will not drink the fruit of the vine until he comes into His glory. When He is offered the drink at first it is drugged. Poison. Hardly a fruit and He is not yet come into His glory. Note that it says something like “Then they crucified Him.” He was not yet on the cross.

The account in John is after he was raised up on the cross and had come into His glory so to speak. He did take the wine then, though it is also called vinegar which is sour wine. As others have mentioned, He did this to complete the Passover or as Dr. Hahn points out “consumate” it. This is the consumation of the marriage supper of the Lamb. The bride and groom are one.

Too cool this stuff. You can’t make this stuff up if you tried. Fiction has to make sense. This only makes sense in the context of God’s love and mercy towards us.

 

[Truthseeker4]

Della:

You should tell your Protestant sister-in-law that after the movie was shown to Protestant pastors across the country, many came to the priest traveling with Mel at these private showings and said they had never considered the Passion in some of the ways portrayed in the film, especially those that featured Mary (no big surprise there). But, they also said they found a new appreciation for what she went through, what she sacrificed, and how she participated in the sufferings of her Son. Many Protestants are beginning to see that they have been blinded by denominational short-sightedness and are coming to a new understanding–one the Catholic Church has always had–of the importance of Mary in the life of Christ and to us as Christians.

Exactly! As a matter of fact I watched it again last weekend. What I have learned here and read in various other places helped to explain other things that I wondered about.

Melissa

 

[crazyage3]

deb1:

Does she not believe that Catholics are Christians? The Passion of the Christ being from a Catholic point of view is only a problem if one believes that Catholics aren’t Christian. Of course, Mel Gibson was influenced by his Catholic world view but that doesn’t mean that it was so drastically different then a Protestant’s view of the Christ’s death that a nonCatholic would be offended or lost. Next time, ask your SIL why a Catholic viewpoint would be any worse then a Baptist or Pentecostal viewpoint.

I’m sure she knows Catholics are Christians. But what bothered me was that she made that comment. I brought the movie to my inlaws for us to watch on Easter. I had know idea it was Catholic at all. My mother in law was talking to my sister in law and she made that comment. if seems after that everyone lost interest in watching it! What the heck is the big deal??!! I dont see it going against the Bible what so ever! I think sometimes people are afraid of coming closer to Jesus.

 

[Petergee]

Strider:

I tried this once before, but the board went down, so I’ll give it another go.
Of course it’s a Catholic Movie. Yes, I know Mel is SSPX, but the Catholicity of the movie cannot be denied.

Crazy,
The next time you see the movie, pay special attention to St, John at the foot of the Cross. You can see Jesus’ words and actions during the Last Supper come alive for him in flashbacks as the events on the cross unfold. “This is myBody…” “This is my Blood…” and you can just see the light bulb come on for St. John.
Also, the movie is so Marian. No Protestant could’ve, or would’ve done that. One of the most powerful scenes in the movie is that of Mary and Satan, walking along opposite sides of the street, eyes locked in battle. Mary is obviously strong enough for this duel and in the end, Satan blinks. Amazing!
Is it Catholic movie? Is the Pope Polish?

No, he’s German. Maybe the news hasn’t got through to Seattle yet.