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Churchman25
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Why do Protestants think that Jesus died for our past present and future sins?
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PluniaZ
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In my conversations with Calvinists (I’m a former Calvinist), the idea that man contributes anything at all to his salvation is completely abhorrent to them, and the idea that God not only completely forgives us for all sins, past, present and future, regardless of how we amend our lives, but on top of that also imputes the righteousness of Jesus Christ to the account of wretched sinners such as ourselves, shows forth the grace of God in the greatest possible way.
They believe this is a greater testimony to God’s grace than if God actually brought about a true change in our hearts, and actually made us righteous enough to merit his kingdom.
Note that they do believe God changes a believer’s heart and makes them righteous (“sanctifies them”) over the course of their life, they just believe this is completely separate and independent from the double imputation of a believer’s sins to Jesus, and the merits of Jesus to the believer.
They believe this is a greater testimony to God’s grace than if God actually brought about a true change in our hearts, and actually made us righteous enough to merit his kingdom.
Note that they do believe God changes a believer’s heart and makes them righteous (“sanctifies them”) over the course of their life, they just believe this is completely separate and independent from the double imputation of a believer’s sins to Jesus, and the merits of Jesus to the believer.
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Churchman25
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So its safe to say that he atoned for all sins so that they can be forgiven.
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PluniaZ
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I think Catholics believe Jesus atoned for all sins - all the sins of the world, ever - but Calvinists do not believe that. Calvinists believe Jesus only atoned for the sins of the elect.
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felsguy
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I should hope for the same reasons Catholics doWhy do Protestants think that Jesus died for our past present and future sins?
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Vic_Taltrees_UK
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To trade with the talents is to not stunt the growth of our fellow adopted widows and orphans in God’s profitable family firm. We’ll only gain a crown if we help the others gain their crown, a share in it we’ll then have. Whilst some will be saved as if through fire, when their achievement is burned right up, others will have thought the anointing of God had been on them, even to achieve miracles, but Jesus will tell them “I never knew you”.
Holy Scriptures list over 55 Holy Spirit gifts. Grace abounding equals Holy Spirit power for living. True ministry works four ways: the inconsiderable boy with the inconsiderable loaves and fishes was brought forward by the disciples, making it possible for Our Lord to feed the Church (the groups of 50), after which the world could be fed (the basketfuls) - they didn’t get heavy with the boy either by putting him down or by pressuring him, they didn’t jump the gun about anyone helping the world without enabling Christ to feed the flock, they didn’t witness to the world a gospel they haven’t been thoroughly fed on themselves first. Why would the world be interested in adopting a starvation diet?
This entire thing is implicated in the kerygma. It’s not supposed to be as individualistic as most Calvinists and Catholics make out, but it’s about being very individual yet mutually supportive precisely so that we can be strong enough between us to help outsiders. This is the sacrificial attitude we are called to I think. During my lifetime as a fringe Catholic, I wasn’t told how to play my part in this, it was as if church vision was confined to doing Mass things (procession and that). My present diocese are just getting interested in enquiring into living the Christian life, and are collecting opinions on that.
Holy Scriptures list over 55 Holy Spirit gifts. Grace abounding equals Holy Spirit power for living. True ministry works four ways: the inconsiderable boy with the inconsiderable loaves and fishes was brought forward by the disciples, making it possible for Our Lord to feed the Church (the groups of 50), after which the world could be fed (the basketfuls) - they didn’t get heavy with the boy either by putting him down or by pressuring him, they didn’t jump the gun about anyone helping the world without enabling Christ to feed the flock, they didn’t witness to the world a gospel they haven’t been thoroughly fed on themselves first. Why would the world be interested in adopting a starvation diet?
This entire thing is implicated in the kerygma. It’s not supposed to be as individualistic as most Calvinists and Catholics make out, but it’s about being very individual yet mutually supportive precisely so that we can be strong enough between us to help outsiders. This is the sacrificial attitude we are called to I think. During my lifetime as a fringe Catholic, I wasn’t told how to play my part in this, it was as if church vision was confined to doing Mass things (procession and that). My present diocese are just getting interested in enquiring into living the Christian life, and are collecting opinions on that.
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thistle
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Completely incoherent!!To trade with the talents is to not stunt the growth of our fellow adopted widows and orphans in God’s profitable family firm. We’ll only gain a crown if we help the others gain their crown, a share in it we’ll then have. Whilst some will be saved as if through fire, when their achievement is burned right up, others will have thought the anointing of God had been on them, even to achieve miracles, but Jesus will tell them “I never knew you”.
Holy Scriptures list over 55 Holy Spirit gifts. Grace abounding equals Holy Spirit power for living. True ministry works four ways: the inconsiderable boy with the inconsiderable loaves and fishes was brought forward by the disciples, making it possible for Our Lord to feed the Church (the groups of 50), after which the world could be fed (the basketfuls) - they didn’t get heavy with the boy either by putting him down or by pressuring him, they didn’t jump the gun about anyone helping the world without enabling Christ to feed the flock, they didn’t witness to the world a gospel they haven’t been thoroughly fed on themselves first. Why would the world be interested in adopting a starvation diet?
This entire thing is implicated in the kerygma. It’s not supposed to be as individualistic as most Calvinists and Catholics make out, but it’s about being very individual yet mutually supportive precisely so that we can be strong enough between us to help outsiders. This is the sacrificial attitude we are called to I think. During my lifetime as a fringe Catholic, I wasn’t told how to play my part in this, it was as if church vision was confined to doing Mass things (procession and that). My present diocese are just getting interested in enquiring into living the Christian life, and are collecting opinions on that.
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PJM
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Essentially they confuse [out of prideful desire] what God COULD have done and what GOD actually did choose to do.In my conversations with Calvinists (I’m a former Calvinist), the idea that man contributes anything at all to his salvation is completely abhorrent to them, and the idea that God not only completely forgives us for all sins, past, present and future, regardless of how we amend our lives, but on top of that also imputes the righteousness of Jesus Christ to the account of wretched sinners such as ourselves, shows forth the grace of God in the greatest possible way.
They believe this is a greater testimony to God’s grace than if God actually brought about a true change in our hearts, and actually made us righteous enough to merit his kingdom.
Note that they do believe God changes a believer’s heart and makes them righteous (“sanctifies them”) over the course of their life, they just believe this is completely separate and independent from the double imputation of a believer’s sins to Jesus, and the merits of Jesus to the believer.
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