Pastor bullying laity

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If you really don’t feel that it would help to go to the Bishop, I would find another parish. But I would first try talking to the Bishop, possibly with a group from the parish. (always helps to go to the Bishop in groups) This yelling from the altar and behavior in the middle of mass has to stop. Yelling with the Blessed Sacrament in his hands? What!!! Excuse me!!! :eek: Somebody has to try to put an end to that kind of abuse and disrespect. It’s a wonder someone didn’t confront him right then and there. Two wrongs don’t make a right, I realize, but it would be hard to hold back when you see a priest behave that way holding Our Lord. That is what the Mass is all about. It’s ALL ABOUT OUR LORD, JESUS CHRIST. He has no right to yell and chastise someone holding Our Lord all because he would rather see people stand rather than kneel.:mad: He needs to be called on it big time!!
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
No.

The matter is not specifically addressed.
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That’s it? C’mon PGA… surely you have more to say about the matter of kneeling. Isn’t this a topic that is dear to Fr. J-Glenn Murray, S.J., the liturgist who champions this notion of the faithful standing throughout Communion until the last person receives, and whose ideas about liturgy you find compelling?
 
This same priest lit into a friend of mind during RCIA last winter. She attends as a “volunteer” and is very well informed on RC and life issues. She started to answer a question re: end of life and Terry Schiavo question. Well, Father, who typically is not there,
( fantastic orthodox layman teaches) went bonkers when my friend started explaining the real health condition of Terry S. and more. Per this priest, Terry Schiavo was “dead” and beyond help and the right thing was done. My friend said she has never encountered such hostility in all her pro life work. Obviously, the mainstream nightly news is his source of reference and some of his theology. More I think about it the more I am sure the bishop knows just who and what we have here. He left an order only 10 yrs or so ago; mid 50’s yr old.
 
Conciliar said:
That’s it? C’mon PGA… surely you have more to say about the matter of kneeling. Isn’t this a topic that is dear to Fr. J-Glenn Murray, S.J., the liturgist who champions this notion of the faithful standing throughout Communion until the last person receives, and whose ideas about liturgy you find compelling?
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Fr. Murray certainly does champion that. And I concur. I have tremendous respect for Fr. Murray and have found him to be knowledgeable, intelligent, and a truly academic liturgist.

As for the question posed, I simply answered factually.
 
It never occurs to the “academic liturgists” that communities…just happen. Not because people are forced into certain postures. Not because people are treated like schoolchildren whose every gesture must be controlled.
 
We had a pastor at out church who yelled at everyone about kneeling during Communion. But he would yell before the Eucharistic prayer that everyone had to stand. Then he would reiteratate again at the close of Mass.

Well, I started going to weekday Mass and the pastor didn’t have a problem with anyone kneeling at all. Apparently, he only felt strongly about it on Sunday, when the entire congregation was there. Or else he was so happy to see people at weekday Mass he didn’t want to scare anyone off.

He was transferred to a different parish.
 
AlexV said:
It never occurs to the “academic liturgists” that communities…just happen. Not because people are forced into certain postures. Not because people are treated like schoolchildren whose every gesture must be controlled.
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Are you sure you want to use that logic?

What if a particular Catholic community decided to not kneel but sit during the consecration?

The Church is not a democracy.
 
No, She’s not. And pastors bullying people from pulpits is a quick way for them to lose their congregations, and rightly so. It’s fascism, plain and simple.
 
Our former pastor once asked, what’s the difference between a terrorist and a liturgist?

Answer: you can negotiate with a terrorist.
 
Leopard said:
Our former pastor once asked, what’s the difference between a terrorist and a liturgist?

Answer: you can negotiate with a terrorist.
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This is a very overused and OLD joke.

I don’t negotiate on certain things either; nor should anyone in my position.

Example: the use of non-sacred music in the mass. I won’t do it. Period. Conversation over. There is no “negotiation.”
 
How disappointing! I think kneeling is one of the best ways to demonstrate one’s faith… I mean anyone can sit or stand, but kneeling demonstrates special piety. Now I understand that it is a new (well, actually, not so much… my parish has been doing it for some time now) rule that you’re not supposed to kneel… but I see no harm in the matter and certainly no reason to yell at someone!

The pastor is to lead the flock, not to bully them! And sure there are some stubborn sheep, but like it is said, easier to attract flies with honey than vinegar. I’m mixing metaphors but you know what I mean… respectful guidance is better than pushing someone around… especially during Mass!
 
PaixGioiaAmor said:
This is a very overused and OLD joke.

I don’t negotiate on certain things either; nor should anyone in my position.

Example: the use of non-sacred music in the mass. I won’t do it. Period. Conversation over. There is no “negotiation.”
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Old? Perhaps, but it was new to me the first time I heard it.

I don’t know to what position you are refering, but may I presume from the context that you are a liturgist? If so, I congratulate you on your fidelity in musical selection. Unfortunately, our former Pastor had not always had the pleasure to have assistants such as yourself working for him, which was rather the meaning behind his comment.
 
Leopard said:
Old? Perhaps, but it was new to me the first time I heard it.

I don’t know to what position you are refering, but may I presume from the context that you are a liturgist? If so, I congratulate you on your fidelity in musical selection. Unfortunately, our former Pastor had not always had the pleasure to have assistants such as yourself working for him, which was rather the meaning behind his comment.
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I am the director of music in a parish church.
 
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