Pastor John Hagee tells God: Punish America for same-sex marriage or ‘apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah’

[Doormouse]

I don’t see anybody ordering God about!!!
I see a person making America aware of what will happen if it doesn’t change its ways.

 

[xNoOnex]

Maybe, John Hagee, should read his own Bible before he opens his mouth. I’ll quote the KJV of the Bible, since he’s like a “KJV Only”.
King James Version; Ezekiel 16:49:

Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

Sodom’s sin wasn’t homosexuality. It was a lack of charity.

 

[Doormouse]

Does he decide for God !!! I never said he does J C. I said make aware of what has happened in the past.

 

[Doormouse]

For not being hospitable ? Is that why?

 

[JonNC]

I seem to recall a verse in Deuteronomy about not putting the Lord to the test.

This.

Jon

 

[Doormouse]

I have a question for john and P A .
Did Thomas doubt Jesus or did he put a spirit to the test?
Wasn’t we told to test spirits by Jesus?

 

[adrift]

Originally Posted by King James Version; Ezekiel 16:49
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fullness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.Maybe, John Hagee, should read his own Bible before he opens his mouth. I’ll quote the KJV of the Bible, since he’s like a “KJV Only”.

Sodom’s sin wasn’t homosexuality. It was a lack of charity.

I wondered when someone would bring this up. Usually it is brought up in promotion of homosexuality.
Don’t stop! The next verse states

50 And they were haughty, and **committed abomination **before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

To state that it was a lack of charity is to minimize what their sin actually was. Charity was only a part of what they were guilty.

 

[Durnford]

America is now a Sodomite Republic
The Pastor is quite right

 

[ByzCath08]

I wonder if John Hagee feels the same way about divorce and remarriage? I seem to recall Jesus saying that anyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery. Yet, he didn’t seem to have a problem with that in 1975.

 

[JonNC]

I have a question for john and P A .
Did Thomas doubt Jesus or did he put a spirit to the test?
Wasn’t we told to test spirits by Jesus?

I assume you mean me.

John 20: Now Thomas, one of the Twelve, called the Twin,d was not with them when Jesus came. 25So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.”

Thomas speaks of what he must be able to do.

Pr. Hagee says:
“This Supreme Court has made America the new Sodom and Gomorrah,” he added. “God will have to judge America or is going to have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah.”

Hagee’s comment is telling God what He must do! Thomas makes no such demand of God.

Jon

 

[Doormouse]

Hello JohN C
No , it was for what took as you agreeing to the post that said he was. But then you say he was demanding God to do things. Really? I don’t see that at all. I see it tongue in cheek to show parallels to people what’s going on in America ALL of the western world too.

 

[JonNC]

Hello JohN C
No , it was for what took as you agreeing to the post that said he was. But then you say he was demanding God to do things. Really? I don’t see that at all. I see it tongue in cheek to show parallels to people what’s going on in America ALL of the western world too.

If that’s the way you took it, ok.
As for me, it seems that instead of claiming that God must, essentially, damn America (I see a parallel between Hagee and Jeremiah Wright in this way), we should be praying for forgiveness and mercy on our land.
Jon

 

[AKDee]

I wonder if John Hagee feels the same way about divorce and remarriage? I seem to recall Jesus saying that anyone who divorces and remarries commits adultery. Yet, he didn’t seem to have a problem with that in 1975.

This is an area that I often wonder how protestants reconcile within themselves. Sexual sin is sexual sin, whether it’s homosexual sex, fornication, or adultery. Yet oddly most protestants focus their attention on homosexual sex, which represents what- 2% of the population? While ignoring both fornication and adultery (particularly in terms of divorced people) which happen in far greater percentages.

 

[Peccavi]

Pope Francis gave sound theological advice when he said " Who am I to judge ?" It is for God to judge and Christ to seek forgiveness for our sins. It is for us to love one another and follow the teachings of our Lord and not to sit in judgement or we risk usurping the role of God.

 

[AKDee]

Pope Francis gave sound theological advice when he said " Who am I to judge ?" It is for God to judge and Christ to seek forgiveness for our sins. It is for us to love one another and follow the teachings of our Lord and not to sit in judgement or we risk usurping the role of God.

We are instructed, as Christians, to admonish sinners. St. Paul instructs us to do so, and it’s a Spiritual Work of Mercy as taught by the Church. If no one stands up for the Faith, what will happen? We don’t have to be- and should not be- unkind about it, but we do have to stand up for what is right.

 

[Doormouse]

This is an area that I often wonder how protestants reconcile within themselves. Sexual sin is sexual sin, whether it’s homosexual sex, fornication, or adultery. Yet oddly most protestants focus their attention on homosexual sex, which represents what- 2% of the population? While ignoring both fornication and adultery (particularly in terms of divorced people) which happen in far greater percentages.

With what you have put up in that post about adultery along with sodamey America is worst than sodom. So he is right (Hagee) isn’t he. So we don’t need to get on our high horse and think it’s just one group of people. Or that people are playing GOD.

 

[AKDee]

With what you have put up in that post about adultery along with sodamey America is worst than sodom. So he is right (Hagee) isn’t he. So we don’t need to get on our high horse and think it’s just one group of people. Or that people are playing GOD.

Pointing out that there are other sins besides sodomy that get little to no attention does not mean that sodomy itself isn’t a sin. It remains a spiritual act of mercy to admonish sinners. I stand by that I don’t think you have to be unkind to do that. Westboro Baptist Church, as an example, admonishes through hate and thus- I think- drives people away from Christ through their actions. I believe in admonishing with love, much like a parent might with a child that does something wrong. And I believe that is what we’re called to do.

 

[Peccavi]

We are instructed, as Christians, to admonish sinners. St. Paul instructs us to do so, and it’s a Spiritual Work of Mercy as taught by the Church. If no one stands up for the Faith, what will happen? We don’t have to be- and should not be- unkind about it, but we do have to stand up for what is right.

St Paul was NOT given the leadership of the Church - Peter was. I sometimes think Paul is far more dogmatic than Jesus was.

 

[AKDee]

St Paul was NOT given the leadership of the Church - Peter was. I sometimes think Paul is far more dogmatic than Jesus was.

This sounds like a denial of the Canonical nature of St. Paul’s epistles, a denial that he was guided by the Holy Spirit as he spread the gospel and established the Church among the gentiles, and a denial that the Church is correct in having adopted this teaching by incorporating it into the list of corporal and spiritual works of mercy.

Say it ain’t so?

For the record, I never said Paul was more important than Peter. He was, however, a more prolific writer- or perhaps more of his epistles were saved. Regardless, it’s not a competition. They both were Apostles of Christ, they both worked to establish the Church, and their teachings aren’t in conflict so far as I know.

 

[Peccavi]

This sounds like a denial of the Canonical nature of St. Paul’s epistles, a denial that he was guided by the Holy Spirit as he spread the gospel and established the Church among the gentiles, and a denial that the Church is correct in having adopted this teaching by incorporating it into the list of corporal and spiritual works of mercy.

Say it ain’t so?

For the record, I never said Paul was more important than Peter. He was, however, a more prolific writer- or perhaps more of his epistles were saved. Regardless, it’s not a competition. They both were Apostles of Christ, they both worked to establish the Church, and their teachings aren’t in conflict so far as I know.

Paul was at odds with the real apostles. Galatians Chapters 1 & 2 are bold examples of Paul’s (hidden) anti-Torah view that was in conflict with the teachings of Jesus and the apostles. Paul pooh-poohed the significance of the real apostles, but…(just in case the Galatians cared) he assured them his doctrine had the real apostles’ support.
Paul came to words with Peter once Peter found out what Paul was teaching, Galatians 2:11. Paul mocked James, Peter (Cephas), and John. He scolded Barnabas and rebuked Peter, Galatians 2:9, 11-14. In true contradictory style, he portrayed Peter as a hypocrite to his Galatian audience, and then boasted of himself, displaying a worse behavior to the Corinthians, saying, “I become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some”, I Corinthians 9:19-22. Note that Paul declares he is the one who gains the more, and that he is the one who is saving mankind not the man Jesus gave his church to, Peter…
Paul was under fire at the council in Jerusalem (he kept silent his anti-Torah viewpoint). James decreed that the Gentiles must abstain from four points of the law. This is mentioned twice in the same chapter, Acts 15:20, 29. Paul then wrote to the Galatian church and told them that they (the apostles) desired “only they would that we should remember the poor”, Galatians 2:10. This is not what James said, which is confirmed by Acts 15:20, 29. Judge Paul for yourself, but for me I prefer the words of the Apostle who heard Jesus in the flesh and to whom he gave the future of his Church. " You are Peter (Cephas)," he said, “on this rock I will build my Church.”